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hi guys, ill buy a motherboard M4A79 DELUXE and try overclockers more agressives, but i have a thermaltake bigwater! LOL gabage kit, so i want to put another radiator, i thought about a swiftech 220, but my pump will do it fine?
Or it gonna "fart out" and the radiator wont make any effect?

dudes please help me...iam about to buy but..i dont want to wast money for nothing... cheers dude.

who help me ill have a brazilian girl as present when visit me hehehe
 
I'm not sure the quality of the pump that comes with a Bigwater kit (but I bet it isn't first rate). But a Swiftech MCR220 is a very good radiator for the money and a good investment for your loop. Is the rad that came with the kit a single fan rad or something? If it is, then you should see better load temps with the Swiftech rad. If it's a double fan rad, then you might want to start rebuilding your loop with a quality pump such as a Laing D5 or DDC3.2 (Swiftech MCP655 or MCP355) as they probably will move much more water and have much higher pressures than the junk that came with your Bigwater.

Also, I am going to move this into the Water Cooling section, where you should have posted this. :)

mudd
 
it should over all be fine but i would look at ordering a pump as well if you have the funds.
 
well i have the funds, but if i buy a new pump...i have to buy a new reservatory...and then a new loop...and i dont want too..because i just want to cool the processor..and i would make my **** TT kit without use..then for what i undestand..a normal radiator for just one fan..will be ok for that pump right? and a radiator for 2 fans will be too much? ill mount this outside of my case, to see if it helps. i live in brazil and it is almost in the line of ecuator, it is really hot here :( . and i'd like to put my phenom on 4.0 when i get my new motherboard
 
If you are living somehwere like Belém, then the high ambient temps are probably killing you with your single fan radiator and you need more surface area on the radiator to get rid of heat with first and formost. Since you are willing to go external with the radiator, I would recommend no less than a triple fan radiator for you. I have no idea of the places you buy your cooling hardware from so I will just link to some US stores I shop at for my cooling supplies to give you an idea of what I am talking about.

A good triple fan radiator for the money is the Swiftech MCR320-QP. If you want an easy to use external mount for this that hangs off the back side of your computer, the Swiftech Steel MCB-120 "RadBox" Rev.1 is easy to use and mount. Swiftech also makes the MCR 320 QP-Res, which is similar to the first one I linked but has a built-in reservoir and fill cap in the top tank if you want to change out the pump and reservoir later.
 
Hi ciborg, welcome. I'll give you my big post of links etc. First thing, you should just start over and call the TT experiance a success because you had no leaks or pump etc failures. Put the TT stuff in a box and let it go. Start over and taste the real power and fun.
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Us guys have done the WC thing, there are basics you gotta know. Maybe this long rewritten and modified thing will help.
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CPU HS $65
GPU HS and air HS for Vram and Mosfets $95, full cover block, $100-$200
Radiator $60 min, up to $130
Pump $65 +
Reservoir $25
Hose, some barbs and clamps etc (min $25, more like $35)
Fans $15-30

I went top notch and spent close to $600 to cool my CPU and GPU. You can do it for less, but a CPU only loop is $250 or so, add a GPU, add $100. If your looking at an i7 and a BIG GPU, start thinking about a big rad, possibly two rads, or even TWO loops.
First you gotta learn about WC. It's not like walking into Best Buy.
Spend a while reading this info, get a feel for what your getting into and learn.
It’s not 'Roket Science', but you need to know the basics and the lingo as a beginner.
You should spend a few hours on the listed sites reading threads, guides and more. It's how YOU learn. I can recommend the best stuff, but there are things only reading and participating on forums will ya learn anything. You don’t have to join all the forums. But reading ALL the WC stickies and many threads that interest you is important. A thread might be 50 replies long, and 15 of those replies might be what you needed to ‘PASS THE TEST’. Remember, once the $500 of goodies show up on your doorstep you’re on your own.
For your benefit please spend a few days reading a LOT. It took me a while; I was big into Air over clocking and started to read about water-cooling. I made my decision to water-cool. THREE months later I made my first purchase of parts. Yes it took me that long and I have built a few systems and always just fine.

Don't expect miracles or SUPER DOOPER over clocks. Your temps with a good WC rig will be better than you could of got on air, guaranteed. What you will get is a quiet system that can handle OC to the max of your hardware IF you buy quality and buy smart. And minor maintenance too, a bonus for the water cooler.

Also while there please read on case mods etc. The radiators do NOT fit in many cases. Reading up on pumps and hose routing, wire management and other things are important. Google your planned case and the word water-cooled in one line. You might get lucky. Look here too…. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=223835
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2009/2010 Heat thoughts:
With the advent of the HOT i7 and bigger dual chip GPU's, it has changed. A 220 size MIN rad for an i7, you want big over clocks, better go 320 sized rad.
Expect an i7 at 4.1 to be putting out close to 250 watts. Using the radiator testing charts, a PA 120.3 with medium fans on high you’ll get a Delta T of 5C, very good. Some have suggested a GTX295 puts out about 250 watts of heat, possibly more like 280 under load. You try and put both of those on a 120x3 radiator the CPU will not over clock at all, it will be very very unhappy. You want to learn more about heat load and the all important measurement, Delta T, read up in the stickies I provided.
2007/2008 Old stuff heat thoughts:
For a setup using the old Q6600 CPUs and the old 4870 and GTX280 cards this is for you.
IF you just cool your CPU and you’re NB if you want, you can get by with a 120.2 sized radiator (RAD). And MAYBE fit in inside depending on your mod skillz. You want to cool your GPU too, you'll need a 120.3 sized rad, and it probably won't fit inside. The rear external rad really works great. No matter what your adding 10lbs to your PC.
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Just general info what you should do once a year to keep your WC at 100%:
Cleaning a loop, not a new loop: I do this once a year, I drain and refill at 6 months, the next time I do this……
Wash hands very well, getting rid of hand oils.
For pumps and blocks, fittings, clamps, acrylic res/block parts.... not hose, tear it to smallest pieces, put in a bowl, heat water up not to boiling add 10% vinegar, when hot, pour over parts. Let sit for 10 minutes or so, then rinse well, put on a towel to dry.
The blocks will probably have some black oxidation. Take the copper parts out of the pile of parts you took out of the water. Dry well and pour ketchup on them, and set aside. Only the copper parts need this.
Rad cleaning: fill with very almost boiling hot water. Let sit 10 minutes, drain half out and shake for 5 min. Repeat till liquid is clean. You can pour it in a clean bowl and inspect the water if you like.
All the pump, block, fittings, and clamps, inspect, get in the tiniest corners with a tooth brush. Kind of meditative, time consuming, you learn a lot about o-ring size, how it all feels. It’s very relaxing with some mellow jazz in the background. Run a rag using a coat hanger and dish soap through the tubing, rinse well. I always consider replacing my hose every year. Plasticizers leach out, the tubing isn’t as flexible. Consider it a ‘Hobby Cost’.
Rinse all the parts and hose with distilled, dry then really dry with an air compressor (nice extra step to get rid of water spots). Don’t need to dry the inside of the hose.
Now on to the copper parts, they should have been soaking an hour or two. A toothbrush and ketchup should clean much of the oxidation. It probably won’t be like new, but pretty darn good. Rinse, dry, and blow the parts.
That’s it.
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Benching software and such is very varied. I use these for each purpose:
These are pretty standard and used by many.
Monitoring the PC temps overall: HW monitor aka hardware monitor
CPUZ for CPU info
GPUZ for GPU info
CPU only: Real Temp
GPU only: ATI Tool, I have a Nivida GTX280, so it works on Nvidia

Loading/benching tools:
CPU loaders: Prime95 and OCCT
GPU Loaders: ATI Tool and the best one is Furmark, nothing pushes the GPU harder right now.
Benching for overall graphics/gaming performance is 3DMark06
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Guides
Pretty up to date info and buying guide Has EU, AU, NZ stores at the bottom
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...d.php?t=282232
A great up to date guide
http://gilgameshreviews.com/index.ph...ling&Itemid=86
What to do once all the stuff is in the door
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.co...d.php?t=312743
Many build logs on MANY cases, great learning tool.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=233842
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=223835

My latest rig:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=604016

Forums
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/index.php? Not a noob site, but great stickies
http://www.ocforums.com/ My fav, good peeps, know their stuff, less hardcore
http://www.over-clock.com/ A GREAT Europe site
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooling/ Decent site
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=3837299 Why we use distilled water. Or de-ionized in the UK because distilled ain’t available unless your rich.

Tests on equipment, not reviews, truly scientific tests
http://translate.google.com/transl [...] n&ie=UTF-8 Info on rad testing
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forum [...] p?t=220593 More rad testing
http://skinneelabs.com/ Host for Martins lab and some newer tests
http://www.skinneelabs.com/MartinsLiquidLab/ Test results, very technical


Stores (US)
http://www.dangerden.com
http://www.petrastechshop.com/
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/
http://www.jab-tech.com/
http://www.performance-pcs.com
http://www.frozencpu.com/
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hello. i live in recife, which is quite similar with the line of ecuator, and yes i know the best way to me cool my cpu would be get a better pump and then a triple radiator and stuff, but even knowing that that TT kits is a junk, for while i want to pass a time with this, i've talked it already here i think, but ill say again, these WC things here in brazil are very expensive, cos we need to import and the tax is so heavy on those products, you might think iam kidding but iam not. just to let you know how muc coasted my rig.

processor 500$
Mb 250$
waterblock 80$ on performance pc but after sending and tax here it coasted 200$
memories $200
GPU 200$
Case $250
PSU $200
TT KIT $400

so like you guys see with that money where you guys lives, i could mount the best pc of world lol. so i wont put my TT kit in the trash, ill still using this till i really feel like it has to go. so please guys, guide me for the best way to cool my CPU but using that kit.

thanks dudes
 
so the only way to me get better temps is putting my TT kit in the gargage and building new loop right?
 
I used Belém as an example because my youngest brother lived down there for a year or so after he graduated high school around 30 years ago and I remember him telling me how hot and humid it gets there. You are only around 8° south of the equator, so your climate is very similar I imagine.

Since you already have the Bigwater kit, I think you can upgrade in stages with the radiator being the first thing to upgrade. The Swiftech radiators I linked give you a very good cost/performance ratio and upgrading to a better radiator would probably help you out the most. You can buy 3/8" barbs (9.5 mm) that should work with the tubing that came with your Bigwater stuff. So to upgrade the radiator you would have to get a new radiator (obviously), some barbs that fit your tubing, some extra case fans for the triple radiator and then decide how you plan to mount the radiator externally. You can mount it with a Radbox like I linked to or you can fabricate your own mounting method.

One thing else: the companies I linked to with the parts in my last post do ship international, as well as www.sidewindercomputers.com and all three are very reputable companies to deal with. I don't know how much Brazilian customs would hit you, but buying from one of those 3 stores could also be an option for you. :)
 
yes dude, i thought about to buy this radiator http://www.waz.com.br/_produtos/?p=93128

but iam not sure if my pump will work fine with this. then i thought about this one http://www.waz.com.br/_produtos/?p=93126

the fan, i thought about to buy this http://www.waz.com.br/_produtos/?p=95322.

and about the radbox, i know it is really nice, and help to fit the radiator outside of case, but i think for while..ill find a way to fix it without the radbox to save more money..and then buy it soon.

what do you think?
 
Thanks for the links to an e-tailer in Brazil man, it will help me out to show what I would recommend to you. I don't read Portuguese but pictures are universal ;) .

The single Swiftech radiator will not do much, if any better than your present radiator. I'ts a matter of high ambient air temperatures and lack of surface area to cool effectively in your climate. The absolute minimum radiator I would go with is the first one you linked and this Swftech radiator would be even better, but it does cost quite a bit more for you guys down there than for us in the USA (maybe a $5-10 difference in price for us). With either of those radiators, you will need a set of barbs such as these ones.

As far as the fan you linked, it looks much like the Scythe Slipstream series sold here in the USA, except that it is a ball bearing ban instead of a bushing equipped fan. They are good case fans but not so great for radiator use as they don't have a very high max static air pressure rating. Instead of that fan, I would recommend the Cooler Gabinete 12cm Scythe S-FLEX - SFF21 instead. We also have those here in the US and I have some personally and can tell you that they are great fans and move good air with decent static air pressure and are relatively quiet. They also work well on both radiators and air cooled heatsinks.
 
thanks man, but one more time i ask, does my pump will support that radiator u linked me?

isnot it too much for my lil pump?
 
@op:

Instead of triple rads you could use a heatercore that you can buy locally.
You can also use a good aquarium pump (obviously moded to use with a DIY res).

It really depends on if you want to do some modding and save $$$$.

As for everything else, +1 for Conumdrum & mudd.
 
@OP:

Instead of triple rads you could use a heatercore that you can buy locally.
You can also use a good aquarium pump (obviously moded to use with a DIY res).

It really depends on if you want to do some modding and save $$$$.

As for everything else, +1 for Conumdrum & mudd.
oooo good idea!
 
i think ill get the double one from the swiftech, thats a good choice right?
 
Yes, the Swiftech MCR220 is a good radiator. And don't forget to get the barbs I linked you to either because I don't think it comes with any (I know they don't here in the US).
 
Be sure to post up how much it helps after you have it up and running. I'm sure the extra surface area of that radiator is going to help your cooling out. :)
 
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