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The Official Intel CPU Sticky
The official Intel CPU Sticky
Everything you need to know about Intel CPUs, including S.N.D.S. and vid-pinning the Northwoods to general overclocking.
What I have done with this thread is condensed a bunch of stickies into one. I have elaborated in areas I feel need clarifying, but I would like to emphasize that most of these posts are word-for-word what the ORIGINAL author wrote, not me. I have done this to make the Intel CPU forum look a little more organized and get rid of some of the stickies. If you have questions regarding the layout of the thread or posts in it, please PM me.
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"JAZZ'S GUIDE TO OVERCLOCKING"
If you haven't already read this, the Overclockers.com Beginner's Guide Section has some good stuff to know about how to overclock, and other helpful hints about your computer in general. One article I think is definitely worth a look is this one, which was written by one of our Forum Senior Members, Batboy. It is a very thorough article that gives you the do’s and don’ts of overclocking. Likewise, you might find the CPU Database of some help in determining what others have been able to safely overclock your processor to.
Take baby steps... nothing more than maybe 10 FSB over default on your first shot. Boot into Windows and run some sort of processor intensive application or burn-in utility for about an hour, and if it's stable, reboot, and try a higher FSB. Basically, this is trial and error. If you go too high and the system will not POST, you must find the "clear CMOS" jumper, and set it so it will clear the BIOS (your manual should have more info on this). This will restore everything to default, but it should let you boot. Holding "delete" immediately after powering on your computer should also load BIOS defaults.
Some older boards (primarily PII boards and older) use jumpers to set the CPU speed. If you do not have overclocking options in the BIOS, this is probably the case. Look in your motherboard manual and see if there are any jumpers pertaining to the FSB speed.
You'll want to keep an eye on your temperatures. Make sure they never exceed 50C, and try to keep them below 45C. I personally try to keep them under 40C but I am a perfectionist.
If an overclock is somewhat stable, but still gives you some errors, you can boost the voltage, but then keep an even closer eye on the temps as that will raise heat.
Also, you might reach a point at which some of your PCI/AGP cards may not work. Most cards can handle up to a 40MHz PCI frequency well, but after that, start to flake out. Be especially careful if you're using a NIC, as these are known to be very persnickety about high PCI speeds. Of course, most of the newer P4 boards have PCI lock options in the BIOS so you don't have to worry about your PCI cards going out of spec.
Some good programs for burn-in and general system maintenance are Motherboard Manager 5 (MBM5), SiSoft Sandra, Toast, and Prime 95. You can check to see if some of these are available at downloads.com (I know Sandra is available there). You can also Google Search to find a specific program you're looking for.
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"VID PIN WIRE WRAPPING THE NORTHWOOD P-4 FOR MORE VOLTAGE"
This post was part of a sticky which was composed by batboy (senior member). Private messages are welcome if you have questions or comments, but should be directed at him.
Warning and disclaimer
Do this modification at your own risk! If this Northwood VID pin wire wrap procedure is not done correctly, your CPU is going to be an expensive piece of fried junk, which potentially could short out the motherboard too. Be aware, this will undoubtedly void your warranty. Don't blame me if you damage components or injury yourself. However, this procedure has been successfully performed and tested by myself and several others. NOTE: it is now known the overvolting Northwoods (like above 1.75v) for long periods of time can lead to the CPU dying.
References and credits
I have some previous experience in doing this wire wrap trick to increase the default voltage with a Celeron 566 and a P-III 700. However, because I never VID pinned a Northwood P-4 before, I followed the procedures (with some modifications) outlined in an article written by Andy Owens (see below listed link) and a Japanese article (see below listed link). The photos and diagram used in this document were borrowed from these two articles.
http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=278
http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/~kiti/Paso/00pen4-3/northwood01.htm
Actual VID pin wire wrapping procedure
The first thing you should do is to use a low "user define" BIOS voltage setting before beginning. Do not leave the BIOS setting at default or the computer will automatically boot up to the "new" vcore default the first time after you wire wrap the VID pins.
The second thing you should do is to unplug the computer power cord and ground yourself to protect against static electricity. Always touch the metal computer case to discharge any static prior to working on components inside a computer.
Now, you must decide how much of a modified default voltage you desire, keeping in mind that currently the real default in the Northwood P-4 is 1.5v. Next, you need to figure out which VID pins to connect to obtain your vcore goal. The easiest to do is to connect VID4 to VID3 pins for a modified default of 1.7v. Since there is only two pins to connect if you choose this option, it might be easier to bend a tiny piece of wire into a "U" shape and drop it down into the appropriate socket pin holes. I initially tried this method, but my Abit TH7-II motherboard only increased the max setting from 1.625v to 1.85v, so I decided I wanted more. NOTE: Currently, wiring up just VID #3 and #4 seems to be the best plan, since too many Northwoods have died from overvolting recently.
Another option is to connect VID4, VID3, and VID2 pins together for a modified vcore default of 1.8v. This would probably be a good compromise and should provide more than enough voltage for most overclocking projects. For extreme overclocking freaks (like me) that want maximum voltage settings, the last option is to connect VID4, VID3, VID2, and VID1 pins together for a modified vcore default of 1.85v. This allowed me access to a maximum BIOS setting of 2.2v on my Abit TH7-II motherboard, which is more than enough voltage to get me into major trouble if I am not careful.
IMPORTANT NOTE: this paragraph was added later once the new C1 stepping was released. The new C1 stepping Northwoods have a default vcore of 1.525v. With the original B0 1.5v default Northies, VID0 was connected internally and VID1 was open (not connected), but with the C1 1.525v default Northies, VID0 is open and VID1 is internally connected. VID4 is internally connected on both B0 and C1 steppings. So basically, there are only two easy VID pinning options for the C1 stepping CPUs, which are as follows:
Connecting VID3 and VID4 to give you 1.725v
Connecting VID2, VID3 and VID4 to give you 1.825v
For my project, I decided to throw caution to the wind and wire wrap VID pins #1, #2, #3, and #4 to give me the most vcore I could get. It was not entirely an easy task. I worked carefully and took my time knowing if I made a mistake that it would be very costly. My tools used were a magnifying glass, small tweezers, and a medium sized sewing needle. Having lots of patience and a steady hand would be an added bonus. Be advised that socket 478 CPU pins are tiny and extremely close together.
I took a short length of fine wire strand that I stripped out of standard automotive grade speaker wire. You could also use a single strand out of a length of computer fan power wire or something similar. Next, I made a loop in the middle of this strand of wire by first wrapping it around a sewing needle. Then, I lassoed VID pin #1 with the loop, which was harder than it sounds, because you need three hands to hold the magnifying glass, the tweezers, and the sewing needle (which I used to guide the wire loop down over the pin).
After the loop was over VID1 pin, I carefully pulled both ends of the wire to tighten up the noose. Next, I criss-crossed the wire in a braid pattern around each of the other VID pins for maximum contact with the pins and also to add more friction to help keep it from sliding off the CPU VID pins. Once all of the desired VID pins were connected, I used the tweezers to twist the wires tightly together at the end in a pig-tail. Be careful not to bend the delicate CPU pins. The tail of the wire was trimmed with scissors and curled around the edge of the chip out of the way. This also helps prevent the wire from falling off the pins when the CPU is inserted back into the socket. Make sure the CPU is pushed solidly down into the socket all the way.
Conclusion
After everything was back together, I booted the system and went into the BIOS. Yippee, it worked! The default voltage registered 1.85v since I had wrapped all four VID pins. Better yet, I now had considerably more additional vcore settings than I previously had before. However, I must caution you good folks not to get carried away with running too much voltage. That's an invitation for disaster if you don't have exceptional cooling. If you're using air cooling, I'd think twice before going above 1.8v (real measured vcore) for any extended period of time. That's a 20% increase in voltage above the original 1.5v default.
Good luck and happy overclocking. This new found vcore voltage options should allow you to unlock the full potential of your Northwood. Prior to wire wrapping the VID pins on my Northwood 2.0a gig CPU, the highest I was able to overclock my system was 2.5 gig, even with lots of cooling mods. Now with higher voltage, I have benchmarked my computer up to a maximum of 2.66 gig. I hope your system will soar to new heights like mine did. Just be careful and watch those temps.
The top photo is how the author wrapped VID4 and VID3 pins in the original article for 1.7v modified default.
The bottom photo shows in red how I criss-crossed the wire in between VID pins for 1.85v modified default.
(This post has been taken from a Sticky by one of our Senior Members, Batboy)
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For easier Wire-Wrapping, one might try and use rear-window defogger paint. The details of this procedure are in the following post, written by MrNatural:
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"Rear Window Defogger Paint Vid-Pinning"
Hi all. thought I would toss this up for all those who have been wanting higher default voltages for their P4s but have been reluctant to do the VID Pin Mod or the Pin 7 POT Mod.
This little trick will take care of not having to do both. As you know the VID Pin Mod requires the connection of the VID puns located on the P4. This is done via the use of small thin wires twisted and gently wrapped around the pins. The pins needed to be done can be seen in the illistration below.
This method is again alright but it tends to worry ppl because the area they have to work in is very small and they are afraid of the possibility of breaking the pin.
Well lime I said, this method will do away with that worry all together because you don't even have to touch the CPU pins.
Here's how you go about it.
First you need a few items which are readily availible to everyone.
1 small straight pin
1 small tipped fiber paint bruch (supplied with next item)
1 jar of Rear Window Defogger Kit.
You may also want to have a little alcahol around to clean up with after you are done.
Next get your motherboard which you are going to install the P4 onto. Make sure it has easy access to the socket where the P4 is placed. (See pic below)
Now what you need to do is locate the pin holes in the socket which corresponds to the VID Pins on the P4. (See pin below)
Now with the fine tipped brush get some of the Rear Window Defogger Kit fluid onto the tip. Then simply put a bead of the fluid between the pin holes. Depending on how much you want your default vcore to be will depend on which pin hiles you will bridge with the fluid. After getting a good bead of fluid between the pins you wish to connect then clean your brush and then let the fluid dry for about a minute.
Then take the small staright pin and getly clean up and fluid that may seem like it has spread to far the side and look like it may touch any of the ajoining pin holes. Also gently poke the pin into each hole that you placed fluid into and plugged up the hole.(See pic below)
Once you have done that then you're done. Let the fluid finish drying before placing you cpu in. The pic below will show you what it should look like after you have finished.
I have just finished doing this to my BD7-Raid and with the 7D bios I now have all the vcore I need with no worry of the CBI. I also no longer have the Pin 7 POT Mod on the system. Now when I boot up, my vcore at default reads 1.80v. I can easily move the vdore level up or down with it working properly. The max vcore I can choose using the 7C bios for my BD7 and 7D bios for my TH7II is now 2.2v. This is with Woodies installed in both.
So with a mere 3-4 minutes of work I no longer need to use the soldering iron or make any kind of pin wraps or use the 40B bios for my TH7II or the 6H2 for the BD7. No more CBI on either system.
Ahhhhhhh. Life is good again.
Anyway. Thought this would help some ppl so there it is. If it doesn't wuite give you what you want then it only take a couple of minutes to clean up with a QTip and Alcahol.
That's it for now. Enjoy all.
Oh, BTW. With this mod I'm now able to take my funky ole 2.0ghz Woody and put it at 2.66ghz with out it giving me one beep or non boot. I is happy now.
(This post has been taken from a Sticky by one of our Members, MrNatural)
The official Intel CPU Sticky
Everything you need to know about Intel CPUs, including S.N.D.S. and vid-pinning the Northwoods to general overclocking.
What I have done with this thread is condensed a bunch of stickies into one. I have elaborated in areas I feel need clarifying, but I would like to emphasize that most of these posts are word-for-word what the ORIGINAL author wrote, not me. I have done this to make the Intel CPU forum look a little more organized and get rid of some of the stickies. If you have questions regarding the layout of the thread or posts in it, please PM me.
-------------------------------------------------------
"JAZZ'S GUIDE TO OVERCLOCKING"
If you haven't already read this, the Overclockers.com Beginner's Guide Section has some good stuff to know about how to overclock, and other helpful hints about your computer in general. One article I think is definitely worth a look is this one, which was written by one of our Forum Senior Members, Batboy. It is a very thorough article that gives you the do’s and don’ts of overclocking. Likewise, you might find the CPU Database of some help in determining what others have been able to safely overclock your processor to.
Take baby steps... nothing more than maybe 10 FSB over default on your first shot. Boot into Windows and run some sort of processor intensive application or burn-in utility for about an hour, and if it's stable, reboot, and try a higher FSB. Basically, this is trial and error. If you go too high and the system will not POST, you must find the "clear CMOS" jumper, and set it so it will clear the BIOS (your manual should have more info on this). This will restore everything to default, but it should let you boot. Holding "delete" immediately after powering on your computer should also load BIOS defaults.
Some older boards (primarily PII boards and older) use jumpers to set the CPU speed. If you do not have overclocking options in the BIOS, this is probably the case. Look in your motherboard manual and see if there are any jumpers pertaining to the FSB speed.
You'll want to keep an eye on your temperatures. Make sure they never exceed 50C, and try to keep them below 45C. I personally try to keep them under 40C but I am a perfectionist.
If an overclock is somewhat stable, but still gives you some errors, you can boost the voltage, but then keep an even closer eye on the temps as that will raise heat.
Also, you might reach a point at which some of your PCI/AGP cards may not work. Most cards can handle up to a 40MHz PCI frequency well, but after that, start to flake out. Be especially careful if you're using a NIC, as these are known to be very persnickety about high PCI speeds. Of course, most of the newer P4 boards have PCI lock options in the BIOS so you don't have to worry about your PCI cards going out of spec.
Some good programs for burn-in and general system maintenance are Motherboard Manager 5 (MBM5), SiSoft Sandra, Toast, and Prime 95. You can check to see if some of these are available at downloads.com (I know Sandra is available there). You can also Google Search to find a specific program you're looking for.
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"VID PIN WIRE WRAPPING THE NORTHWOOD P-4 FOR MORE VOLTAGE"
This post was part of a sticky which was composed by batboy (senior member). Private messages are welcome if you have questions or comments, but should be directed at him.
Warning and disclaimer
Do this modification at your own risk! If this Northwood VID pin wire wrap procedure is not done correctly, your CPU is going to be an expensive piece of fried junk, which potentially could short out the motherboard too. Be aware, this will undoubtedly void your warranty. Don't blame me if you damage components or injury yourself. However, this procedure has been successfully performed and tested by myself and several others. NOTE: it is now known the overvolting Northwoods (like above 1.75v) for long periods of time can lead to the CPU dying.
References and credits
I have some previous experience in doing this wire wrap trick to increase the default voltage with a Celeron 566 and a P-III 700. However, because I never VID pinned a Northwood P-4 before, I followed the procedures (with some modifications) outlined in an article written by Andy Owens (see below listed link) and a Japanese article (see below listed link). The photos and diagram used in this document were borrowed from these two articles.
http://www.hexus.net/review.php?review=278
http://www2.justnet.ne.jp/~kiti/Paso/00pen4-3/northwood01.htm
Actual VID pin wire wrapping procedure
The first thing you should do is to use a low "user define" BIOS voltage setting before beginning. Do not leave the BIOS setting at default or the computer will automatically boot up to the "new" vcore default the first time after you wire wrap the VID pins.
The second thing you should do is to unplug the computer power cord and ground yourself to protect against static electricity. Always touch the metal computer case to discharge any static prior to working on components inside a computer.
Now, you must decide how much of a modified default voltage you desire, keeping in mind that currently the real default in the Northwood P-4 is 1.5v. Next, you need to figure out which VID pins to connect to obtain your vcore goal. The easiest to do is to connect VID4 to VID3 pins for a modified default of 1.7v. Since there is only two pins to connect if you choose this option, it might be easier to bend a tiny piece of wire into a "U" shape and drop it down into the appropriate socket pin holes. I initially tried this method, but my Abit TH7-II motherboard only increased the max setting from 1.625v to 1.85v, so I decided I wanted more. NOTE: Currently, wiring up just VID #3 and #4 seems to be the best plan, since too many Northwoods have died from overvolting recently.
Another option is to connect VID4, VID3, and VID2 pins together for a modified vcore default of 1.8v. This would probably be a good compromise and should provide more than enough voltage for most overclocking projects. For extreme overclocking freaks (like me) that want maximum voltage settings, the last option is to connect VID4, VID3, VID2, and VID1 pins together for a modified vcore default of 1.85v. This allowed me access to a maximum BIOS setting of 2.2v on my Abit TH7-II motherboard, which is more than enough voltage to get me into major trouble if I am not careful.
IMPORTANT NOTE: this paragraph was added later once the new C1 stepping was released. The new C1 stepping Northwoods have a default vcore of 1.525v. With the original B0 1.5v default Northies, VID0 was connected internally and VID1 was open (not connected), but with the C1 1.525v default Northies, VID0 is open and VID1 is internally connected. VID4 is internally connected on both B0 and C1 steppings. So basically, there are only two easy VID pinning options for the C1 stepping CPUs, which are as follows:
Connecting VID3 and VID4 to give you 1.725v
Connecting VID2, VID3 and VID4 to give you 1.825v
For my project, I decided to throw caution to the wind and wire wrap VID pins #1, #2, #3, and #4 to give me the most vcore I could get. It was not entirely an easy task. I worked carefully and took my time knowing if I made a mistake that it would be very costly. My tools used were a magnifying glass, small tweezers, and a medium sized sewing needle. Having lots of patience and a steady hand would be an added bonus. Be advised that socket 478 CPU pins are tiny and extremely close together.
I took a short length of fine wire strand that I stripped out of standard automotive grade speaker wire. You could also use a single strand out of a length of computer fan power wire or something similar. Next, I made a loop in the middle of this strand of wire by first wrapping it around a sewing needle. Then, I lassoed VID pin #1 with the loop, which was harder than it sounds, because you need three hands to hold the magnifying glass, the tweezers, and the sewing needle (which I used to guide the wire loop down over the pin).
After the loop was over VID1 pin, I carefully pulled both ends of the wire to tighten up the noose. Next, I criss-crossed the wire in a braid pattern around each of the other VID pins for maximum contact with the pins and also to add more friction to help keep it from sliding off the CPU VID pins. Once all of the desired VID pins were connected, I used the tweezers to twist the wires tightly together at the end in a pig-tail. Be careful not to bend the delicate CPU pins. The tail of the wire was trimmed with scissors and curled around the edge of the chip out of the way. This also helps prevent the wire from falling off the pins when the CPU is inserted back into the socket. Make sure the CPU is pushed solidly down into the socket all the way.
Conclusion
After everything was back together, I booted the system and went into the BIOS. Yippee, it worked! The default voltage registered 1.85v since I had wrapped all four VID pins. Better yet, I now had considerably more additional vcore settings than I previously had before. However, I must caution you good folks not to get carried away with running too much voltage. That's an invitation for disaster if you don't have exceptional cooling. If you're using air cooling, I'd think twice before going above 1.8v (real measured vcore) for any extended period of time. That's a 20% increase in voltage above the original 1.5v default.
Good luck and happy overclocking. This new found vcore voltage options should allow you to unlock the full potential of your Northwood. Prior to wire wrapping the VID pins on my Northwood 2.0a gig CPU, the highest I was able to overclock my system was 2.5 gig, even with lots of cooling mods. Now with higher voltage, I have benchmarked my computer up to a maximum of 2.66 gig. I hope your system will soar to new heights like mine did. Just be careful and watch those temps.
The top photo is how the author wrapped VID4 and VID3 pins in the original article for 1.7v modified default.
The bottom photo shows in red how I criss-crossed the wire in between VID pins for 1.85v modified default.
(This post has been taken from a Sticky by one of our Senior Members, Batboy)
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For easier Wire-Wrapping, one might try and use rear-window defogger paint. The details of this procedure are in the following post, written by MrNatural:
-------------------------------------------------------
"Rear Window Defogger Paint Vid-Pinning"
Hi all. thought I would toss this up for all those who have been wanting higher default voltages for their P4s but have been reluctant to do the VID Pin Mod or the Pin 7 POT Mod.
This little trick will take care of not having to do both. As you know the VID Pin Mod requires the connection of the VID puns located on the P4. This is done via the use of small thin wires twisted and gently wrapped around the pins. The pins needed to be done can be seen in the illistration below.
This method is again alright but it tends to worry ppl because the area they have to work in is very small and they are afraid of the possibility of breaking the pin.
Well lime I said, this method will do away with that worry all together because you don't even have to touch the CPU pins.
Here's how you go about it.
First you need a few items which are readily availible to everyone.
1 small straight pin
1 small tipped fiber paint bruch (supplied with next item)
1 jar of Rear Window Defogger Kit.
You may also want to have a little alcahol around to clean up with after you are done.
Next get your motherboard which you are going to install the P4 onto. Make sure it has easy access to the socket where the P4 is placed. (See pic below)
Now what you need to do is locate the pin holes in the socket which corresponds to the VID Pins on the P4. (See pin below)
Now with the fine tipped brush get some of the Rear Window Defogger Kit fluid onto the tip. Then simply put a bead of the fluid between the pin holes. Depending on how much you want your default vcore to be will depend on which pin hiles you will bridge with the fluid. After getting a good bead of fluid between the pins you wish to connect then clean your brush and then let the fluid dry for about a minute.
Then take the small staright pin and getly clean up and fluid that may seem like it has spread to far the side and look like it may touch any of the ajoining pin holes. Also gently poke the pin into each hole that you placed fluid into and plugged up the hole.(See pic below)
Once you have done that then you're done. Let the fluid finish drying before placing you cpu in. The pic below will show you what it should look like after you have finished.
I have just finished doing this to my BD7-Raid and with the 7D bios I now have all the vcore I need with no worry of the CBI. I also no longer have the Pin 7 POT Mod on the system. Now when I boot up, my vcore at default reads 1.80v. I can easily move the vdore level up or down with it working properly. The max vcore I can choose using the 7C bios for my BD7 and 7D bios for my TH7II is now 2.2v. This is with Woodies installed in both.
So with a mere 3-4 minutes of work I no longer need to use the soldering iron or make any kind of pin wraps or use the 40B bios for my TH7II or the 6H2 for the BD7. No more CBI on either system.
Ahhhhhhh. Life is good again.
Anyway. Thought this would help some ppl so there it is. If it doesn't wuite give you what you want then it only take a couple of minutes to clean up with a QTip and Alcahol.
That's it for now. Enjoy all.
Oh, BTW. With this mod I'm now able to take my funky ole 2.0ghz Woody and put it at 2.66ghz with out it giving me one beep or non boot. I is happy now.
(This post has been taken from a Sticky by one of our Members, MrNatural)
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