CRT or LCD what is better

[wingman99]

Thinking of getting a new monitor.:beer:

[ihrsetrdr]

Thinking of getting a new monitor.:beer:

IMO, a CRT LCD is better because:

1. weighs a lot less than CRTs

2. takes up less desk space

3. more screen area for the $

4. less power comsumption

[Jolly-Swagman]

IMO, a CRT is better because:

1. weighs a lot less than CRTs

2. takes up less desk space

3. more screen area for the $

4. less power comsumption

Dont you mean LCD's are better Because,,,

[ihrsetrdr]

LOL, thanks JS, it seems that I experienced some syntactical flatulence!

It's hard to focus on RL while @work! :eek:

[DragoXT]

It takes a bit to get used to an LCD, im still getting used to it, but it is very nice. Aside from the crap that you can get a dead pixel or pixels LCDs arent half bad. Dell is coming out with some LED backlit monitors, so that is a good sign. ATM backlight bleeding and inaccurate black levels are the main problems with LCDs that you have to deal with. My Asus vw224u has some backlight bleed in the corners and on the bottom, but its not bad, and one dead/stuck pixel. For $189 i cant complain, it plays games at native res awsome and my older games letterboxed at non native res very well to. I see no ghosting on it, and after tweaking it a bit and messing with my vid card's gamma i was able to make it look like my crt color reproduction wise so i can do my little bit of gfx work like sigs and such and not worry about color reproduction problems.

[wingman99]

If you don't run the LCD native resolution the text looks like crap.


I bought a samsung 932 BW 19" for family i have a CRT and the LCD samsung looks like crap now that i have spent some time on it.


How is the LED tech is it any better, i'm afraid of my CRT dying and having to use LCD:(

[TimoneX]

I'm with wingman. I've tried again and again to like LCDs and I just can't get there. Viewing angles, ghosting, & stuck/dead pixels have repeatedly sent me back to CRTs. At this point I think I will stick with my twin 21" CRTs. All 140lbs of them. Fortunately Mr. Steelcase has to hold them up full time not me. :)

[sandyduff]

24" widescreen CRT is the weigh to go!! yes it weighs a tonne but the picture quality is astonishing!! I did start a thread like this a while ago... http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=582531&highlight=LCD+step+backwards there you go.... gives voices for both sides of the argument....

[Mr.Guvernment]

I'm with wingman. I've tried again and again to like LCDs and I just can't get there. Viewing angles, ghosting, & stuck/dead pixels have repeatedly sent me back to CRTs. At this point I think I will stick with my twin 21" CRTs. All 140lbs of them. Fortunately Mr. Steelcase has to hold them up full time not me. :)

for all of the LCD's i have owned, never once have i had a single bad pixel. (about 14, between work and home since i do all the shopping)

as for viewing angles and ghosting, those are down falls but are becoming less and less.

If you want good viewing angles, do not buy a TN panel
If you do not want Ghosting, buy a TN panel

the Problem with LCDs really is it is hard to find a single panel right for all situations, like say you like to game and edit photo's.... they both really require diff types of panels.


Personally, i prefer LCD - no eye strain and MUCH MUCH clearer text and more crisp.

[TimoneX]

BINGO! Eloquently stated my friend. It is hard to find a single panel that's right for all situations. I found a solution though...Cathode Ray Tube. :)

LCDs do have clear text unless you change the resolution from native. I do this routinely w/ my secondary display.

Everyone's sensitivity to eyestrain varies. As long as I keep the refreshes above 80hz or so I have no issues with fatigue.

[DragoXT]

How is the LED tech is it any better, i'm afraid of my CRT dying and having to use LCD:(

Well LCDs are using basically 2 small florecent light (CCFL) to light the screen. Now those lights are on all the time, so it is very hard to have a true black color with a light on. The lights are white light, and there is a good chance that most LCD's will have backlight bleed, as in when you view a black screen you can see around the edges spots where the black is noticably lighter, and somtimes you can move up far enough and actually see the backlight coming from the corner of the case.

For LCD panels you have TN (most common), PVA/MVA (less common), and S-IPS (expensive and not many out there). TN panels have crap viewing angles compared to the other two, but their pixels are fast, and they can have RTC (response time compensation) to speed the transitions of pixels from one color to another up to help even more with making sure the screen doesnt ghost. TN panels also have color reproduction problems due to the bad viewing angles, look at the screen one way and see one color, shift your head a bit and it looks a bit diff. PVA/MVA panels have much better viewing angles, and better color reproduction because of that. They are a bit more expensive to make, but they are slow panels, some of which were not suitable for even movie viewing till the last year due to slow color transitions. S-IPS is very awesome tech, all top high end LCDs for gfx work are S-IPS panels or derivitives of that tech. Viewing angles are nearly like that of a CRT, produces nearly perfect blacks, but they again are slow panels.

Now with the LED backlighting coming out, this means that you should be able to have true black since you can turn off the leds that push light to the pixels that are to display black, and vary the light output of the leds to make blacks and all other colors look better and not washed out which is something that happens alot on non calibrated LCDs and even calibrated ones. This tech will allow the higher doller panels to be cheaper, cheap enough that people will be able to afford them, and yeah TN panels will get even cheaper, but i hope to see some more competition in the panel market for LCDs.

So for right now if you want to game you are pretty much stuck with a fast TN panel with RTC, or the very elusive but more expensive PVA/MVA panel with RTC. S-IPS is pretty much out of the question unless you can afford to spend upwards of $1000. You can tweak enough on a TN panel to get it close to a CRT color wise, and video wise it will be good, just make sure that you do your homework on your LCD before you buy it and make sure it has no input lag, and you should be fine.

[wingman99]

Are there any good LCD 19" for gaming for $175

[DragoXT]

wingman, spend the lil bit extra and get the 22" Asus VW224U (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236050). It is a very nice monitor, great for gaming. I play at full res and have no issues, and even when i play games at 1024x768 letterboxed on the screen, it is smooth.

[TimoneX]

JUST got this notification...Acer 22" LCD $170 on 3-day sale.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3883448&sku=A179-2240&SRCCODE=WEM1816C&cm_mmc=Email-_-Main-_-WEM1816-_-3day

Decent reviews too, but you have to do your own diligence.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=ET+EX3WP+001&btnG=Search+Products&cid=1372801865775564128#ps-reviews

[Malakai]

No real better, but CRTs certainly lost the tech war.

LCDs are just too cheap and easy to make compared to those gigantic heavy power sucker CRTs. And a bad crt can give you a headache and mess with your eyes, a bad lcd is just annoying (usually).

Current gen widescreen lcds are pretty sweet though. 24" for 300 bucks is wild pricing.

[wingman99]

wingman, spend the lil bit extra and get the 22" Asus VW224U (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236050). It is a very nice monitor, great for gaming. I play at full res and have no issues, and even when i play games at 1024x768 letterboxed on the screen, it is smooth.Looks like a nice monitor how does the text look on the desk top screen at 1024x768

[TimoneX]

No real better, but CRTs certainly lost the tech war.

LCDs are just too cheap and easy to make compared to those gigantic heavy power sucker CRTs. And a bad crt can give you a headache and mess with your eyes, a bad lcd is just annoying (usually).

Current gen widescreen lcds are pretty sweet though. 24" for 300 bucks is wild pricing.

No doubt about it. CRTs are on their way out. I'd hoped that PLED tech would take over before my 21" CRTs croaked, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon.

I had one of them Hanns G 28" monsters in my cart around the holidays when they had that $300 sale with free shipping. Now if I got an LCD to replace one of my CRTs it would be something really huge like that. I want 1920x1200 native for HDTV resolutions and on a really big display to make two full size docs legible from several feet away.

[Mr.Guvernment]

BINGO! Eloquently stated my friend. It is hard to find a single panel that's right for all situations. I found a solution though...Cathode Ray Tube. :)

LCDs do have clear text unless you change the resolution from native. I do this routinely w/ my secondary display.

Everyone's sensitivity to eyestrain varies. As long as I keep the refreshes above 80hz or so I have no issues with fatigue.

for sure! i still have my old Dell Sony Trinitron 19' CRT that i use for any color important things and it is still going good!

[TimoneX]

They sure last don't they? My CRTs are Cornerstone c1025's manufacture date:

February 2000. Got them new factory direct and they've been at 1920x1200x75Hz & 1600x1200x80hz nearly all day every single day since. I think they've seen 20 main system builds and outlasted every single one. :)

[wingman99]

I have a CRT sync Master 997 mb 19" samsung running strong when i game i run 1600x1200x80hz however when i run the desktop 1024x768:burn:I like the Desktop big

[Malakai]

No doubt about it. CRTs are on their way out. I'd hoped that PLED tech would take over before my 21" CRTs croaked, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon.

I had one of them Hanns G 28" monsters in my cart around the holidays when they had that $300 sale with free shipping. Now if I got an LCD to replace one of my CRTs it would be something really huge like that. I want 1920x1200 native for HDTV resolutions and on a really big display to make two full size docs legible from several feet away.

I think 24" is perfect for affordable gaming right now. Better than HD resolution, great prices, lots of choices, and beyond 1920x1200 you need serious graphics hardware to run at full settings.

[DragoXT]

Looks like a nice monitor how does the text look on the desk top screen at 1024x768

Well when i had my 17" CRT and my Asus VW224U side by side with the same res testing in games for input lag/ghosting and brightness/contrast calibrating, the text was good for being at a non naitve res, but the letterboxing feature is nice so it doesnt stretch the image. Once i enabled cleartype in windows, that made the text on the lcd look even better. Im one that never really liked cleartype, and all my lcds at work i have run with just standard so i get the lines and dots and i could go either way with that lcd, it looks good both ways.

The monitor comes with every cable you need and im running mine straight off DVI. The preset modes are kinda a joke, i just tweaked the standard setting, and used a calibration website to help me get it where i wanted it. The only good thing about the presets is well in games if its dark and you need to see, you can change the presets and get the gamma up so you can see lol.

[TimoneX]

I think 24" is perfect for affordable gaming right now. Better than HD resolution, great prices, lots of choices, and beyond 1920x1200 you need serious graphics hardware to run at full settings.

Yeah I just start getting a bit greedy everytime I look through the catalog of decent 24" LCDs. It just seems like mediocre 28" displays are only a little bit more. 24" is definitely the minimum I'd consider to replace one of my CRTs. Must have native 1920x1200 res.

[sandyduff]

24" @ 1920 x 1440 @ 75Hz or even 2048 x 1536 @66Hz

Unfortunatly 66Hz and i can see it flickering so 1920 x 1440 it is!!

CRT's are cheap now, well if you go second hand, mine cost me £70 (dunno what the dollar to pound is at the moment) but i did have to fork out an extra £30 to get the thing delivered!! it required 2 delivery men to deliver it!! :D