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I'm in the market for a new TV.
-Needs to be 1080i
-Needs to be 24 inches or more
It's mostly going to be used for a PS3. Can the PS3 do full 1080i? or just 720?
I'd like to not spend more than 500 dollars, though I'm not sure if this is possible.
Any way I can find a quality tv at this price?
PS3 can do 1080p. I assume you only want 1080i for HDTV channels?
$500 may be a bit low for 1080i, what size panel were you looking for? IMO it would be better to save some more cash and just get a 1080p TV so you can take full advantage of the PS3/Bluray capabilities.
Well, I don't know that I really want to spend more than that on a TV - I'm going to be at University for another year and a half, and I don't think I want to make that kind of investment right now.
Maybe 720p would be the way to go?
I’ve seen the Westinghouse 32’ 720p LCD TV for around $500, seek and you shall find! You're not going to get a 1080p TV for $500 but you can get a 1080p monitor and a TV card.
mattspalace
07-30-08, 02:47 PM
Absolutely zero difference between 1080i and 1080p when you're looking at 42" and smaller LCDs. Visit Amazon.com; they have good prices and have free shipping quite often; check Frys.com also.
That all depends on the viewing distance, if you have a 32 inch TV to see the difference between 720p and 1080p you would have to be sitting five feet or closer.
I’ve seen the Westinghouse 32’ 720p LCD TV for around $500, seek and you shall find! You're not going to get a 1080p TV for $500 but you can get a 1080p monitor and a TV card.
Couldn't I just get a 1080p monitor with inputs for a PS3, and just do it like that? Turn my computer off for Console gaming?
I am still using a big CRT, so that might not be a bad idea.
I'd say that a monitor would be your best bet then
ratbuddy
07-31-08, 05:54 PM
1080i is just a big marketing lie. I've never heard of a 1080i set that can actually display 1080 lines of resolution. Are these sets just deinterlacing and downscaling to fit the panel? Are they converting to 540p? Either way, it's garbage and motion scenes will look inferior to a 1080p set. This assumes you are sitting close enough and the screen is big enough to see the difference, of course.
Hell, for that matter, 720p is a big lie too. Most '720p/1080i' sets are actually 1366x768 meaning the image has to be converted no matter what. Some horrible 'HD' plasma sets are actually 1024x768 even. Blah.
Couldn't I just get a 1080p monitor with inputs for a PS3, and just do it like that? Turn my computer off for Console gaming?
I think it's a good idea.
Here's a nice review of a couple of 24inchers.
http://www.bexox.com/showdown.htm
Looking at the Westinghouse L2410NM, as I could save a little money for upgrades.
Read through a couple reviews, seems to be a pretty decent monitor; one person said it was the quintessential console-gaming monitor available.
Anyone have experience with this monitor?
I've read they are starting to put TN panels in some of the Westinghouse L2410NM. You have to check the specs if the viewing angle is 170/160 it's a TN pane, if it's 176/176 it's MVA. If its 5ms response time or less its TN.
asus make a 24" LCD that claims to have 2ms refresh and 1080p
i dont quite understand all the fuss about viewing angle who watches there screen from almost exactly side on? 99% of the time i would have tought that a 45degree would be fine. from centre 45 one way 45 other 45 up 45 down.
Yeah I know what you're saying, but if I have a choice between a superior panel and an inferior panel...the choice is pretty simple.
to me color precision and refresh speeds are much much much more important then viewing angles
Unfortunately the TN panels with 2ms response time have a 6bit panel, 6 bit displays can only theoretically display 262,144 colors while the 8 bit displays can display 16.7 million colors. So the 8 bit panel makes a great viewing experience. Since the 8 bit has a better color range, it can display such things as gradients and vivid photographs with crisp smooth quality where as the 6 bit display will show banding. 8bit displays are good if you’re a photographer, artist, movie freak or anyone who enjoys a superior quality picture.
Wide viewing angle is important if you’re watching a movie with a couple of friends and everyone wants to be sitting in the middle because of the diminished quality at the sides. I find that even with a P-MVA monitor the viewing angle is not as wide as I would like, they are better that TN but not perfect.
ratbuddy
08-01-08, 12:39 PM
Unfortunately the TN panels with 2ms response time have a 6bit panel, 6 bit displays can only theoretically display 262,144 colors while the 8 bit displays can display 16.7 million colors.
I never even considered this before, but why would I bother running 1680x1050x32bit color if the panel doesn't even support more than 6 bits of color depth? Wouldn't it speed things up to run lower depths?
Yeah I'm definitely going to go with a non-TN panel. Seems the westinghouse is really a pretty good deal on a good monitor with a quality panel.
Does anyone have any other suggestions on a 24 inch monitor with a non-TN panel?
A lot of display manufacturers are lowering their price on 24’ monitors while at the same time changing from 8bit panels to 6bit TN panels, so take care and find a dealer with a good return policy that will take it back if it has the wrong panel in it. I had to do this with the monitor I bought.
A good way to know if you have a TN panel is to put your head a couple of feet in front of the monitor and lower your head to just below the monitor., when you look up at the picture if everything turns dark, you have a TN panel.
Here are a few but check out this site
http://lcd24-7.info/Default.aspx
Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP……………….. …….S-PVA
Acer AL2416W…………………………………. ……S-PVA
Acer AL2416WAs ……………………………………S-PVA
LG Flatron L245WP…………………………………..P-MVA
BenQ FP241VW……………………………….. ……A-MVA
BenQ FP241W………………………………… …….P-MVA
BenQ FP241WZ………………………………. ……A-MVA
DoubleSight DS-240WB……………………. ……S-PVA
DoubleSight DS-245W……………………… ……S-PVA
EIZO ColorEdge CE240W……………………….. S-PVA
EIZO FlexScan HD2441W……………………….. S-PVA
EIZO FlexScan HD2451W………………………… S-PVA
Samsung SyncMaster 242MP…………….. …..PVA
Samsung SyncMaster 244T………………… ….S-PVA
Samsung SyncMaster 245T……………….. ….S-PVA
Samsung XL24……………………………………….. S-PVA
Hewlett-Packard DreamColor LP2480zx.. S-IPS
Hyundai W241D………………………………… …S-PVA
Hewlett-Packard LP2465………………………. S-PVA
ViewSonic VX2435wm…………………………… S-MVA
Westinghouse L2410NM……………………….. MVA
SolidxSnake
08-03-08, 09:30 PM
1080i is just a big marketing lie. I've never heard of a 1080i set that can actually display 1080 lines of resolution. Are these sets just deinterlacing and downscaling to fit the panel? Are they converting to 540p? Either way, it's garbage and motion scenes will look inferior to a 1080p set. This assumes you are sitting close enough and the screen is big enough to see the difference, of course.
Hell, for that matter, 720p is a big lie too. Most '720p/1080i' sets are actually 1366x768 meaning the image has to be converted no matter what. Some horrible 'HD' plasma sets are actually 1024x768 even. Blah.
Pretty much all CRT RPTVs display 1080i natively. If it can accept 720p, it is upscaled to 1080. There are a few LCDs that are actually 1920x1080 but they're starting to pop up here and there. Most are 768 and downscale.
ratbuddy
08-04-08, 09:02 AM
Pretty much all CRT RPTVs display 1080i natively. If it can accept 720p, it is upscaled to 1080. There are a few LCDs that are actually 1920x1080 but they're starting to pop up here and there. Most are 768 and downscale.
OK, CRTs sure. I don't think I've even seen a CRT TV in a few years now :p 1920x1080 LCDs though are sold as 1080p sets, what gets me is how they call (720/768p) LCD and plasma sets '1080i' when they can't even show that many lines.
SolidxSnake
08-04-08, 11:18 AM
OK, CRTs sure. I don't think I've even seen a CRT TV in a few years now :p 1920x1080 LCDs though are sold as 1080p sets, what gets me is how they call (720/768p) LCD and plasma sets '1080i' when they can't even show that many lines.
Most can't, but there are a select few with 1920x1080 native panels that upscale 720p.
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