Tech 42" Plasma Resolution Question, Help Plz!!

[Teknodred]

Hey there guys!,
I have just invested in a new Pc kit and amongst it all is my shiny new 8800 GTX
But i have just started getting a bit worried thinking about resolutions, I usually play through my 42" Plasma screen, at the mo i cant check full resolution as my old pc has blown up Hence why im buying new kit,
Now the question
On my plasma, if i plug my xbox 360 through it on component i can reach 1920 x 1080i which is 1080i, now i was wondering if i pluged my 8800 through a Dvi to Component cable will i be able to play games at that resolution too?? (i dont have HDMI or DVI thats why im using the converter cable)..
Was just getting scared that i wont be able to push i new card to the limits

Cheers guys,
Jah Bless

[BossBorot]

can you give some info on what the model number and maker of your plasma is?

[Teknodred]

Hmm not really lol,
It some dodgy plasma i bought from Evesham bout 2yrs back, done me proud tho, didnt know i had component till a few months back so i could finally run it to 1080i :)..
Only thing i can say is when i was running my 360 through the plasma through a VGA cable i was getting resolutions over 1280x720 , im sure went as high as 1920 x 1080, which is what i get through component cable to,
Hmm but ye it was bought from Evesham and i cant find a link for this tv anywhere :(

Thx for trying,
Jah bless

[Teknodred]

Hmm not really lol,
It some dodgy plasma i bought from Evesham bout 2yrs back, done me proud tho, didnt know i had component till a few months back so i could finally run it to 1080i :)..
Only thing i can say is when i was running my 360 through the plasma through a VGA cable i was getting resolutions over 1280x720 , im sure went as high as 1920 x 1080, which is what i get through component cable to,
Hmm but ye it was bought from Evesham and i cant find a link for this tv anywhere :(

Thx for trying,
Jah bless

[Teknodred]

Hmm not really lol,
It some dodgy plasma i bought from Evesham bout 2yrs back, done me proud tho, didnt know i had component till a few months back so i could finally run it to 1080i :)..
Only thing i can say is when i was running my 360 through the plasma through a VGA cable i was getting resolutions over 1280x720 , im sure went as high as 1920 x 1080, which is what i get through component cable to,
Hmm but ye it was bought from Evesham and i cant find a link for this tv anywhere :(

Thx for trying,
Jah bless

[Joeteck]

I would be shocked to see the plasma getting any where near 1920 x 1080. Most TV's that have a VGA port on them can only do 1366 x 768. This has nothing to do with the HD input resolution. Your 8800GTX will be able to run anything you throw at it.

I have a 7900GTX with a 24" wide screen and I play my games @ 1680 x 1050 and sometimes 1920 x 1200 which is native for my LCD.

[aaronjb]

I would be shocked to see the plasma getting any where near 1920 x 1080. Most TV's that have a VGA port on them can only do 1366 x 768. This has nothing to do with the HD input resolution. Your 8800GTX will be able to run anything you throw at it.

There are quite a few LCDs with VGA ports which will do (EDIT) 1920x1080. That said, I imagine that the resolution of the plasma in question is 1366x768. But even at 1920x1080, the 8800GTX would be fine for any games out today.

[Joeteck]

There are quite a few LCDs with VGA ports which will do 1920x1200. That said, I imagine that the resolution of the plasma in question is 1366x768. But even at 1920x1200, the 8800GTX would be fine for any games out today.


NO, read the orginal post AGAIN! We are not talking about LCD's


There are very few TV's (including Plasma) that can do 1920 x 1080, again most of them have a res of 1366 x 768. That said, lets get the model number of this guys Plasma before we get into an argument on who's wrong or right. They don't make Plasma computer screens. LCD or CRT, that it.

Edit: Here are a few examples

Panasonic 42" Plasma (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7679185&st=42%22+plasma&type=product&id=1134703131623)
LG 42" plasma (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7675731&st=42%22+plasma&type=product&id=1134702498520)

These both have a PC resolution of 1024 x 768

HP 50" Plasma (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7731582&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050005&id=1140392418631)
Hitachi 55" Plasma (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7803148&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050005&id=1142293092636)
LG 60" Plasma (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7990597&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050005&id=1155069967112)

These have a resolution of 1366 x 768

Need I go on?

If your TV can do 1920 x 1080, then its a 1080p TV.

I'm done.

[aaronjb]

There are very few TV's (including Plasma) that can do 1920 x 1080, again most of them have a res of 1366 x 768. That said, lets get the model number of this guys Plasma before we get into an argument on who's wrong or right. They don't make Plasma computer screens. LCD or CRT, that it.

Whoa there, cowboy. Why the attitude? I understand the OP is talking about Plasma displays. I was responding to your comment about displays (not TVs - there is a difference) with a VGA adapter only being able to display 1366x768. This isn't always the case - there are LCD and Plasma displays which will accept and display 1080p over VGA.

I'm not sure why you're arguing. Did you misread my post? Apologies - I try to be as clear as possible.

EDIT: Crap, just saw that I posted 1920x1200 instead of 1920x1080 in my first post. Been switching between here an avsforum... sorry for the confusion. But still, you were pretty quick to the hostility.

[Neuromancer]

Yes it will display, but how clearly is another issue.

I just got me a Olevia 32" 1080i monitor today :)

Runs native 1360x768. But I noticed it went up to 1920x1080. So I tried it. Vista automatically dropped it to 30Hz (interlaced speed) but the monitor didnt appreciate it. It was kinda wobbly looking.

But after those few seconds of watching it in 1080i resolution... yah, I want to upgrade already.

[aaronjb]

Yes it will display, but how clearly is another issue.

I just got me a Olevia 32" 1080i monitor today :)

Runs native 1360x768. But I noticed it went up to 1920x1080. So I tried it. Vista automatically dropped it to 30Hz (interlaced speed) but the monitor didnt appreciate it. It was kinda wobbly looking.

But after those few seconds of watching it in 1080p resolution... yah, I want to upgrade already.

What model display is that?

The only 32" Olevia displays I know of are only capable of 1366x768, and nothing higher. While they may accept a 1080i signal, the display will downscale to the native resolution, 1366x768. So it wouldn't be possible to view an image on this display in 1080i or 1080p.

But that's a great display nonetheless. I've read great things about it.

[Joeteck]

Whoa there, cowboy. Why the attitude? I understand the OP is talking about Plasma displays. I was responding to your comment about displays (not TVs - there is a difference) with a VGA adapter only being able to display 1366x768. This isn't always the case - there are LCD and Plasma displays which will accept and display 1080p over VGA.

I'm not sure why you're arguing. Did you misread my post? Apologies - I try to be as clear as possible.

EDIT: Crap, just saw that I posted 1920x1200 instead of 1920x1080 in my first post. Been switching between here an avsforum... sorry for the confusion. But still, you were pretty quick to the hostility.

Sorry, my reply never mentioned LCD for you to make a comment on. The Original Poster was talking about plasma. I merely was correcting your response. Did not mean to argue, rather more of a debate. My replies always look this way... sorry. here is some info for yourself.

All HDTV's that do up to 1080i only display 1366 x 768, period.

HDTV's that do 1080p can display 1920 x 1080 VGA resolution, and will display your computer very clearly.

Dumping hi-def via VGA or DVI on a HDTV that only can do 1080i, will look very blurry. and since the pixel pitch is around .50 or more it will like poo poo.

[Neuromancer]

What model display is that?

The only 32" Olevia displays I know of are only capable of 1366x768, and nothing higher. While they may accept a 1080i signal, the display will downscale to the native resolution, 1366x768. So it wouldn't be possible to view an image on this display in 1080i or 1080p.

But that's a great display nonetheless. I've read great things about it.

Yah its NOT 1920x1080 capable. It showed it without going to the black screen no comapatible signal... which it did at res between 1080 and 768. it is a 1080i screen and it showed. The real estate was HUGE at 1080i VGA input.. but the VGA input left it... wobbly not good. Wish I could test it other than PC....hmmm I might have a component out setup.....

Model?
232, its not listed on their website but its for sale everywhere. Got mine at circuit city for about 50 more then online, but no shipping and I get 2% back from fatwallet.. bought online and picked up locally in 24 minutes or a 24 dollar gift card w00t! Plus I have it now and any problem in 30 days I take it them and get a new one :) (I love being able to strangle CSRs)

Also I saw on at the mall (the 27 inch series Olevia, and its what made me go big cheap HDTV as a monitor 50 dolalrs differnce between 27" and 32" had to go large, had money burning a hole in my pocket and it was either a monitor or vid card or a conroe. And since I dont benchmark, my stock X24600 with 2GB of RAM is fine, and my 7600GS is doing okay since im not much a gamer (will upgrade when ATI releases midrange DX10.1 cards though.) Really want a 1900 series... but cant justify it with dx10 on the way and me running Vista


As for the monitor, I love it colors are MUCH better then my old CRT that has survived a 450MIle transport in hte back of a pickup as well as constant moves and bangs around the house. Durable for a 125 dollar 19" flat CRT with 1600x1200 resolution... (In fact im so rough with it I just had to straighten a pin to connect it up as a second monitor on this rig :eek: ) That has NEVER happened before although recently I have been trashing Svideo cables left and right... hmm (tripping over them, cause im running them across a doorway and they be pulled taught so they like 2 inches off the carpet LOL)

Oh and I still havent taken the packaging screen protector off the monitor LOL (I smoke so I will prolly leave it on, since AFAICT its not tinted... and if it is DAYUM this screen is too bright already... )


Okay sorry bout the thread jack


EDIT: Joeteck

There are a TON of TV s that can display 1920x1080 resolution. they just cost about 1200 and up.

As far as a 1080i screen displaying it? No its not rounded down to the nearest non interlaced resolution. It displays at 1080 pixels. It just can NOT handle refreshing it 60 times a second. Same as any old monitor you got for your computer. The higher the res... the lower the refresh

No differnce

[aaronjb]

All HDTV's that do up to 1080i only display 1366 x 768, period.

I think you're misunderstanding resolutions. 1080i = 1920x1080, but interlaced, meaning every-other line is display every 1/30 of a second. 1080p = 1920x1080, but with every line displayed every 1/60 of a second.

Dumping hi-def via VGA or DVI on a HDTV that only can do 1080i, will look very blurry. and since the pixel pitch is around .50 or more it will like poo poo.

Not necessarily. It depends somewhat on the video card and drivers. I can display 1080i on my Westinghouse 1080p set just fine - but the refresh rate is dropped to 30 Hz.

[aaronjb]

Yah its NOT 1920x1080 capable. It showed it without going to the black screen no comapatible signal... which it did at res between 1080 and 768. it is a 1080i screen and it showed.

I'm a little confused.. what's the native resolution of the screen? If the resolution is 1366x768, then it's not a 1080i display. It may accept a 1080i signal and downscale that to 1366x768, but it's really a 720p display.

As for the monitor, I love it colors are MUCH better then my old CRT that has survived a 450MIle transport in hte back of a pickup as well as constant moves and bangs around the house. Durable for a 125 dollar 19" flat CRT with 1600x1200 resolution... (In fact im so rough with it I just had to straighten a pin to connect it up as a second monitor on this rig :eek: ) That has NEVER happened before although recently I have been trashing Svideo cables left and right... hmm (tripping over them, cause im running them across a doorway and they be pulled taught so they like 2 inches off the carpet LOL)

I used to have a 19" Hitachi.. must have weighed 75 pounds. Lots of fun times moving that beast. :)

As far as a 1080i screen displaying it? No its not rounded down to the nearest non interlaced resolution. It displays at 1080 pixels. It just can NOT handle refreshing it 60 times a second. Same as any old monitor you got for your computer. The higher the res... the lower the refresh

I'm still a little confused. Again, if the native resolution is 1366x768, how is it displaying a 1920x1080 (1080i) resolution without downscaling?

[Joeteck]

EDIT: Joeteck

There are a TON of TV s that can display 1920x1080 resolution. they just cost about 1200 and up.

As far as a 1080i screen displaying it? No its not rounded down to the nearest non interlaced resolution. It displays at 1080 pixels. It just can NOT handle refreshing it 60 times a second. Same as any old monitor you got for your computer. The higher the res... the lower the refresh

No differnce

Please provide a list of all *** P L A S M A *** TV's that can do 1920 x 1080 and I think you mean $3000 and up.
I'm quite aware that some L C D 's can display 1920 x 1080, but not P L A S M A. These are called 1080p LCDs.

You people need to read.

[aaronjb]

Please provide a list of all *** P L A S M A *** TV's that can do 1920 x 1080 and I think you mean $3000 and up.
I'm quite aware that some L C D 's can display 1920 x 1080, but not P L A S M A. These are called 1080p LCDs.

You people need to read.

The discussion clearly moved to displays in general.

I'll be honest - your tone is really, really antagonistic. It's just unnecessary.

For someone who made this comment:

All HDTV's that do up to 1080i only display 1366 x 768, period.

I'd be a little more judicious with the bad attitude.

Please do a little more research. This isn't the only thread where you're being corrected on basic concepts such as aspect ratio and resolution.

[Joeteck]

The discussion clearly moved to displays in general.

I'll be honest - your tone is really, really antagonistic. It's just unnecessary.

For someone who made this comment:



I'd be a little more judicious with the bad attitude.

Please do a little more research. This isn't the only thread where you're being corrected on basic concepts such as aspect ratio and resolution.

I only reply with valid information.

Maybe, you need to do a little more research?

When the subject clearly states 42" Plasma questions, I stay within the question and try not to confuse the poster, thinking that 1366 x 768, is not the resolution, when in fact it is.

You cant think that if it can display 1080i, it must do 1920 x 1080. That assumption is incorrect. Doing the required reading would give you the right information.

HDTV manufactures are not focusing on PC resolutions. The option is there, but if you wish to put yourself through the pain in viewing 1366 x 768 on a 42" screen, more power to you. The pixel pitch on a screen this size, has to be .68, as the manufacture features of this TV, will not let you know what it is.

To figure this out on your own do this:

(number of pixels across) / (Screen width) in milli-meters.

My 17" LCD has a maximum res of 1280 x 1024. It is 340 mm wide.

I take 340 and divide it into 1280 and I get .265 mm pixel pitch.

If the topic of the thread has been changed, it should be noted. No where did I read that it was a general discussion about displays, where I was correcting the obvious.

If you go off topic (as you did) all the information (except mine) is incorrect.

Here is some research for you... ;)

Things to know about HDTV displays:

** HDTV's that display up to 1080i can only do a PC resolution up to 1366 x 768. (some can only do 1024 x 768), since its really only 540 lines being used at one time it then extrapolates to fill the 228 lines remaining.

** HDTV's that display up to 1080p can display up to 1920 x 1080.

** LCD displays (tuner-less & remote less) that can do 1920 x 1200, can display 1080p.

** LCD displays that can display 1680 x 1050 can display HD content, including 1080i.

** To find out the pixel size of your screen do this (number of pixels across) / (Screen width) in milli-meters. example 1280/340 = .265 (17" LCD 4:3)

** Plasma TV's can only display either 1024 x 768 or 1366 x 768 for the PC.

** Some LCD 1080i displays can do 1440 x 900. Can do 720p without a problem.

** The LG 60" Flat-Panel Plasma HDTV has a pixel pitch of : .97

** The Panasonic 37" Plasma HDTV has a pixel pitch of: .75

** The Maxent 50" Plasma HD Monitor has a pixel pitch of: .81

** The Panasonic 42" Plasma HDTV has a pixel pitch of: .83

** The Samsung 40" 1080p LCD HDTV has a pixel pitch of: .46

** The Gateway 24" Wide screen LCD monitor (not a TV) has a pixel pitch of: .27

** The Sharp AQUOS 52" 1080p LCD HDTV has a pixel pitch of: .60

[aaronjb]

Maybe, you need to do a little more research?

I've been doing this for years. Thanks anyway.

You're obfuscating and confusing the point. Please stop. You're spreading incorrect information. Please stop that as well.

You cant think that if it can display 1080i, it must do 1920 x 1080. That assumption is incorrect. Doing the required reading would give you the right information.

I will say this again: THAT IS THE CORRECT RESOLUTION FOR A 1080i DISPLAY. If I could reach through this monitor and write it on your head with a sharpie, I would. :rolleyes: Yes, 1080i is interlaced. But the display still has to be capable of displaying 1080 lines of vertical resolution. By all means, please post this on avsforum.com.

HDTV manufactures are not focusing on PC resolutions. The option is there, but if you wish to put yourself through the pain in viewing 1366 x 768 on a 42" screen, more power to you. The pixel pitch on a screen this size, has to be .68, as the manufacture features of this TV, will not let you know what it is.

What the frig are you talking about? Thanks for the information - but I'm trying to inform you of the relationship between the common names for HDTV resolutions and their associated [height * width] resolutions, which we're more familiar with.

Things to know about HDTV displays:

These would be "things to know" if I wanted to know incorrect information.

** HDTV's that display up to 1080i can only do a PC resolution up to 1366 x 768. (some can only do 1024 x 768), since its really only 540 lines being used at one time it then extrapolates to fill the 228 lines remaining.

You're very confused. Very, very confused. Please start from the beginning, and go to the wikipedia articles on HDTV and the various HDTV resolutions. 1366x768 and 1024x768 displays may very well accept 1080i input, but they're downscaling the interlaced 1920x1080 content to their native resolution. Again: 1080i = 1920x1080, with every-other scanline being display every 1/60 of a second.

** HDTV's that display up to 1080p can display up to 1920 x 1080.

** LCD displays (tuner-less & remote less) that can do 1920 x 1200, can display 1080p.

This is true, of course, and very obvious.

** LCD displays that can display 1680 x 1050 can display HD content, including 1080i.

Emphatically, NO. Again, you're very confused.

** To find out the pixel size of your screen do this (number of pixels across) / (Screen width) in milli-meters. example 1280/340 = .265 (17" LCD 4:3)

I don't care about this. Pixel pitch has nothing to do with your egregious confusion over resolutions.

** Plasma TV's can only display either 1024 x 768 or 1366 x 768 for the PC.

This isn't always the case. What about a 1080p plasma? That display could display 1920x1080 resolution.

** Some LCD 1080i displays can do 1440 x 900. Can do 720p without a problem

I'm cutting the rest of this post out. Why are you getting into pixel pitch, etc. Again, you've confused yourself. Or, rather, the HDTV market has confused you - it's easy to get confused. I just ask that you do more research before misinforming other forum members. It's just not helpful. Stop arguing when you lack the basic information to form a coherent argument; you're just confusing other members.

Briefly (see Wiki articles for the specifics):

1080p = non-interlaced (progressive) 1920x1080
1080i = interlaced 1920x1080 (every-other scanline sent every 1/60 second)
720p = non-interlaced 1280x720

For anyone who wants to find the correct information, see the following articles on Wikipedia:

1080p (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p)
1080i (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i)
720p (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/720p)
480i (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/480i)
480p (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/480p)

[Joeteck]

What ever dude... I just know that when someone displays their PC though their TV's VGA port on a plasma, I know the maximum will be 1366 x 768. Nothing can be done about that.

Apparently you're very confused.

Remember that 1080i/p is the source. The HDTV has to have the technology to display it.

To restate the point, 1080i/1080p needs a screen resolution of 1,920x1,080-pixels to display in its entirety, but you don't have to have a screen with this resolution to display a 1080i/1080p signal - lower resolution screens downscale the signal to fit.

Understand the technology before you confuse everyone else...

Take a looky here @ wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1366_x_768)

[aaronjb]

What ever dude... I just know that when someone displays their PC though their TV's VGA port on a plasma, I know the maximum will be 1366 x 768. Nothing can be done about that.

... if the native resolution of the plasma is 1366x768. What about a 1080p plasma? I'm not confused, but I am done trying to set you straight.

To restate the point, 1080i/1080p needs a screen resolution of 1,920x1,080-pixels to display in its entirety, but you don't have to have a screen with this resolution to display a 1080i/1080p signal - lower resolution screens downscale the signal to fit.

Yes, and that's pretty obvious.

Please, everyone - take what Joeteck says regarding HDTV and resolutions with a grain of salt. As a matter of fact, you can assume it's false unless proven otherwise. He's just too confused.

[Joeteck]

... if the native resolution of the plasma is 1366x768. What about a 1080p plasma? I'm not confused, but I am done trying to set you straight.



Yes, and that's pretty obvious.

Please, everyone - take what Joeteck says regarding HDTV and resolutions with a grain of salt. As a matter of fact, you can assume it's false unless proven otherwise. He's just too confused.

Then a 1080p plasma will need an input resolution of 1920 x 1080.

Duh!

But a 1080i plasma is 1366 x 768.

I think you mis-understood what I wrote, and we are in fact both right..

[aaronjb]

But a 1080i plasma is 1366 x 768.

No, we're not both right. Please show me where you found this statement, or how you came to this conclusion. A 1080i display is 1920x1080, and a 1080p display ix 1920x1080.

You're confused because so many plasma displays which accept 1080i input scale down to 1366x768. But by no means is a 1080i display - be it LCD, Plasma or CRT - 1366x768.

EDIT: Listen, you're very confused. I'm sorry if I sound upset, but I don't want anyone else to reach this level of confusion. You're mixing up aspect ratios and 1:1 pixel mapping in another thread, and your statements don't make purchasing decisions easier for anyone.

[Joeteck]

Yes it will display, but how clearly is another issue.

I just got me a Olevia 32" 1080i monitor today :)

Runs native 1360x768. But I noticed it went up to 1920x1080. So I tried it. Vista automatically dropped it to 30Hz (interlaced speed) but the monitor didnt appreciate it. It was kinda wobbly looking.

But after those few seconds of watching it in 1080i resolution... yah, I want to upgrade already.

Just so you know... you have a pixel pitch of .52, which is not too bad for that size screen.

[Joeteck]

No, we're not both right. Please show me where you found this statement, or how you came to this conclusion. A 1080i display is 1920x1080, and a 1080p display ix 1920x1080.

You're confused because so many plasma displays which accept 1080i input scale down to 1366x768. But by no means is a 1080i display - be it LCD, Plasma or CRT - 1366x768.

EDIT: Listen, you're very confused. I'm sorry if I sound upset, but I don't want anyone else to reach this level of confusion. You're mixing up aspect ratios and 1:1 pixel mapping in another thread, and your statements don't make purchasing decisions easier for anyone.

Ok, I'll make this real easy for you to understand.

Go to bestbuy.com

Look for any 1080i plasma HDTV.

Then post here the resolution.

All of them will be either 1024 x 768 or 1366 x 768.

Then after you do that read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_XGA) again, and again and again until you understand it.

Then post again your apology for saying my information is incorrect.

A 1080i HDTV will never display 1920 x 1080, unless it is progressive.

And if you still don't understand, then click here (http://www.hdtvorg.co.uk/focus/resolution.htm)

Then when you say "WTF, he's right!", take the sharpie and right on your own head.

[aaronjb]

Ok, I'll make this real easy for you to understand.

Go to bestbuy.com

Look for any 1080i plasma HDTV.

Then post here the resolution.

All of them will be 1366 x 768.

Then after you do that read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wide_XGA) again, and again and again until you understand it.

Then post again your apology for saying my information is incorrect.

A 1080i HDTV will never display 1920 x 1080, unless it is progressive.

I just can't debate this with you any more. You're wrong. Please copy and paste your post, then take it over to avsforum.com. I'd love to see how that crowd will treat you. 1080i isn't even mentioned on that Wikipedia entry.

A 1080i set won't display all 1080 lines every frame - it will display, as you know, 540 alternating lines every 1/60 of a second. But make no mistake about it - a 1080i CRT HDTV has 1080 lines of vertical resolution.

LCDs and Plasmas, however, don't display interlaced content. That is, all interlaced content is de-interlaced before being displayed. In the case of a 1366x768 plasma, the interlaced 1920x1080 content is being de-interlaced and downscaled to 1366x768.

Just because a display accepts a 1080i input does not mean that it displays that input at 1080i.

Those displays at bestbuy.com are downscaling 1080i content to their native resolution. But 1080i = 1920x1080, not 1366x768 or 1024x768. Did you even read the 1080i Wikipedia article?

EDIT:

Even the article you linked to has this quote:

"Many of the more recent HD Ready flat screens feature a resolution of 1,366x768 pixels. This will display the commonly used 720p and 1080i formats, although 1080i/1080p signals will be downscaled to fit. To display 1080i/1080p signals in their entirety, you'll need a screen with a resolution of 1,920x1,080 pixels, coined 'Full HD' by the marketing men."

...and this info....

"1080i: 1,920x1,080 pixel resolution. High-definition picture that is displayed interlaced. Each odd line of the picture is displayed, followed by each even line, and the resulting image is not as smooth as a progressive feed. 1080i is therefore a more detailed picture suited to documentaries and wildlife footage, but less suitable for action-oriented material such as sports and movies."

[Joeteck]

I just can't debate this with you any more. You're wrong. Please copy and paste your post, then take it over to avsforum.com. I'd love to see how that crowd will treat you. 1080i isn't even mentioned on that Wikipedia entry.

A 1080i set won't display all 1080 lines every frame - it will display, as you know, 540 alternating lines every 1/60 of a second. But make no mistake about it - a 1080i CRT HDTV has 1080 lines of vertical resolution.

LCDs and Plasmas, however, don't display interlaced content. That is, all interlaced content is de-interlaced before being displayed. In the case of a 1366x768 plasma, the interlaced 1920x1080 content is being de-interlaced and downscaled to 1366x768.

Just because a display accepts a 1080i input does not mean that it displays that input at 1080i.

Those displays at bestbuy.com are downscaling 1080i content to their native resolution. But 1080i = 1920x1080. Did you even read the 1080i Wikipedia article?

Excellent, You do understand. Ah.. I'm happy now.

[aaronjb]

Excellent, You do understand. Ah.. I'm happy now.

MY BRAIN ASPLODE!#!@$@@ :bang head

Ok, I'm not done arguing.

You said multiple times that 1080i = 1366x768 or 1024x768. Besides not making sense, it's wrong.

1080i = 1920x1080. That's fact.

[Joeteck]

MY BRAIN ASPLODE!#!@$@@ :bang head

Ok, I'm not done arguing.

You said multiple times that 1080i = 1366x768 or 1024x768. Besides not making sense, it's wrong.

1080i = 1920x1080. That's fact.

correct, 1080i (the source) is 1920 x 1080, but 1080i plasma's can only display 1366 x 768.

You're almost there... it should click soon...

[aaronjb]

correct, 1080i (the source) is 1920 x 1080, but 1080i plasma's can only display 1366 x 768.

Then it's not a 1080i plasma. It's a ~720p plasma which accepts 1080i input and downscales that 1080i input to native resolution (1366x768). Even true 720p content - 1280x720 - is upscaled to 1366x768.

Thanks for the lessons, though. How enlightening. :/

[Joeteck]

Then it's not a 1080i plasma. It's a ~720p plasma which accepts 1080i input and downscales that 1080i input to native resolution (1366x768). Even true 720p content - 1280x720 - is upscaled to 1366x768.

Thanks for the lessons, though. How enlightening. :/

Wow, I think it clicked!

Very very good. I'm proud of you!

Correct!

Finally!!! You got it...

I even created an account on AVS, just for you. But since you figured it out, there is no need to post it there.

And since the resolution is only 1366 x 768, that would be the maximum you can display when you connect your PC to it.

And on a 32" Plasma, the pixel pitch would be .52

[aaronjb]

Wow, I think it clicked!

Very very good. I'm proud of you!

Correct!

Finally!!! You got it...

I even created an account on AVS, just for you. But since you figured it out, there is no need to post it there.

And since the resolution is only 1366 x 768, that would be the maximum you can display when you connect your PC to it.


WHaaaaaaaaa?!!?!?!! MY BRAIN ASPLODE AGAIN! :eek:

Oh come on! You clearly were confused, and now you're saving face. You were stating misinformation, and now you've taught me the errors of my ways by agreeing with me, when I corrected you in the first place?

I'll be ignoring future posts by you.

What a complete waste of my time. To the OP and innocent bystanders, I apologize for cluttering the thread with useless drivel. I've been sucked into a useless intarwebs argument once again.

:rolleyes: to joeteck, :beer: to everyone else

[Joeteck]

WHaaaaaaaaa?!!?!?!! MY BRAIN ASPLODE AGAIN! :eek:

Oh come on! You clearly were confused, and now you're saving face. You were stating misinformation, and now you've taught me the errors of my ways by agreeing with me, when I corrected you in the first place?

I'll be ignoring future posts by you.

What a complete waste of my time. To the OP and innocent bystanders, I apologize for cluttering the thread with useless drivel. I've been sucked into a useless intarwebs argument once again.

:rolleyes: to joeteck, :beer: to everyone else

What are you talking about?? read the entire post again..

I stand by the fact that all 1080i plasma's are 1366 x 768, that a fact.

I've been saying that for the entire post. The original argument was that 1080i plasma's display more than 1366 x 768, which is cleary not the case.

Its either 1024 x 768 or 1366 x 768 and it still is.

As for your spelling mistakes.... "Exploded" , not asploded, unless you a$$ did explode...

[aaronjb]

You also need to be careful with dot pitch. On a 1024x768 Plasma, the pixels are rectangular, which is why this 4:3 resolution is actually a 16:9 resolution on a plasma display.