Looking for a 1080p LCD Display that does 1080p in VGA and component

[soundfx4]

Well I made a mistake recently and I'm trying my best to correct it. I went out and almost on an impulse bought a 40" sony 1080p TV that unfortunately will not do 1080p in Component and will only go to like 1440 x 1050 in VGA. I went back to sears to look for another TV and the only TV I found that will display 1080p in Component was a Sharp LCD display, and while I have no problems with Sharp this particular TV did not have a VGA input which is absolutely a must. (sigh) I'm going to be able to get my money back, but now I need to find a TV that will actually fit what I need.

To be specific, I'm looking for a 1080p LCD display (I don't care what brand) that is relatively large (37"-46") that will do 1080p via component and will do 1920 x 1080/60hz in VGA. If anyone has a TV like this, or knows of one off the top of their heads I'd love to know about it :)

[noxqzs]

i have a Westinghouse LVM-42W2 and can verify 1080p over component, DVI, and HDMI. Tomorrow I will try VGA and repost. This set has 6 HD inputs. 2 DVI, 1 VGA, 2 component, 1 HDMI.

[Stoneyman]

I would get a westinghouse lvm 37 w3, it has all the inputs for yeah and goes to 1080p (1920x 1080)
Games look stunning on it! :)

[soundfx4]

westinghouse? I've heard of them, but I don't have any experience with their products. Grr...I really want to get this TV through sears, especially since the guy is being very helpful and is even going to waive the 15% restocking fee. I don't think he'd like it if I tell him I'm not going to buy from them this time and in fact I don't even know if I'll be able to get any thing other then a store credit :-/

[soundfx4]

i have a Westinghouse LVM-42W2 and can verify 1080p over component, DVI, and HDMI. Tomorrow I will try VGA and repost. This set has 6 HD inputs. 2 DVI, 1 VGA, 2 component, 1 HDMI.

I'm actually looking at that one right now and it doesn't list 1080p for the component connections. Are you sure that it accepts 1080p via component? :confused:

http://www.westinghousedigital.com/details.aspx?itemnum=44#VALUE

under connectors, 1080i is listed as the highest input for component.



Also, why does it say L/R audio for the HDMI connections? HDMI is supposed to be able to carry 8 audio channels...:confused:

Sorry for all the questions, I just don't want to make a mistake again :(

[noxqzs]

I tried VGA, and it does support 1920x1080.

Component definetly works. I use it on the x360 with zero problems.
http://home.comcast.net/~noxqzs/pics/lvm42.jpg


And the L/R audio is supplementary. They are only used if you use a DVI to HDMI cable and require additional audio. If on HDMI, they are not necessary.

The best thing about this monitor, and I have yet to see another one do this, is it allows you to view multiple HD sources simultaneously while in PIP.

My only gripe with this TV, is the weak signal of the remote. Since I use a Logitech harmony, it doesn't bother me as much though.

[soundfx4]

I tried VGA, and it does support 1920x1080.

Component definetly works. I use it on the x360 with zero problems.
http://home.comcast.net/%7Enoxqzs/pics/lvm42.jpg


And the L/R audio is supplementary. They are only used if you use a DVI to HDMI cable and require additional audio. If on HDMI, they are not necessary.

The best thing about this monitor, and I have yet to see another one do this, is it allows you to view multiple HD sources simultaneously while in PIP.

My only gripe with this TV, is the weak signal of the remote. Since I use a Logitech harmony, it doesn't bother me as much though.


:drool: it seams almost perfect, but I do have some other questions I'd like to ask you about that TV if you don't mind.

1: Does it have an HDTV tuner? This isn't really a big deal, but a nice addition

2: Does it support HDCP? Not something I like, but unfortunately a technology that is going to be used in equipment I will be buying in the future :-/

3: It says it only has a 1000:1 contrast ratio; is that something that really matters? Or do they all pretty much look the same regardless of contrast ratio?

4: It only has one HDMI so I have to ask, do the two DVI connectors have an optical audio input that goes with them? I'm sure there are HDMI switch boxes so this most likely won't be a concern, but I'm trying to think of everything this time around instead of just stupidly buying a TV on impulse.

5: Does this TV have optical audio out? Or even digital coax? If it only has digital coax, can you tell a difference? I would assume that since it's digital there is no difference, but I'm not sure and my friend actually said digital coax was horrible in his experience with it.


I also have a slightly off topic question, but it is still relevant. What is the deal with digital component? My friends TV has analog and digital component connections but what are they good for? Is that something that came out after component but then pretty much became useless when DVI came around?

[noxqzs]

1. No HDTV tuner. it is only a Monitor.

2. it supports HDCP

3. the contrast ratio is listed as 1000:1 and is average for a set of this size. Others manufacturers categorize theirs as 4000:1 but dynamic. There is a difference is static vs dynamic contrast ratio, and manufacturers are using the former as its conveniently higher.

4.5. There are no optical inputs for audio. It would be a nice feature, but for stereo speakers of this size, not necessary. Digital coax vs optical is all the same. Its all 1's and 0's, the transmission medium does not make a difference in quality at the end.

Digital component is basically a digital signal sent along the YPbPr cables. DVI is nothing more than component cables put into one shielded cable and terminated with a different plug. DVI also is capable of sending analog signals. This is why you can put a DVI/VGA adapter and run older monitors.

[soundfx4]

1. No HDTV tuner. it is only a Monitor.

2. it supports HDCP

3. the contrast ratio is listed as 1000:1 and is average for a set of this size. Others manufacturers categorize theirs as 4000:1 but dynamic. There is a difference is static vs dynamic contrast ratio, and manufacturers are using the former as its conveniently higher.

4.5. There are no optical inputs for audio. It would be a nice feature, but for stereo speakers of this size, not necessary. Digital coax vs optical is all the same. Its all 1's and 0's, the transmission medium does not make a difference in quality at the end.

Digital component is basically a digital signal sent along the YPbPr cables. DVI is nothing more than component cables put into one shielded cable and terminated with a different plug. DVI also is capable of sending analog signals. This is why you can put a DVI/VGA adapter and run older monitors.


What about digital coax inputs or outputs? If it has an HDMI then surely it has to have at least a digital coax output.

[noxqzs]

no digital audio input/output. each channel is only dual RCA analog.

[soundfx4]

no digital audio input/output. each channel is only dual RCA analog.


hmmm...that is odd, what is the point in HDMI if you can't output the 6 or 8 channel audio to a nice set of speakers? Seams really odd to me, but whatever :p

I'm going to have to think about this one, it looks like a really nice display but I have to decide if it not having a Tuner or digital audio out is important to me or not...although I didn't mention TV in my subject I did say display so that is my fault. Thank for all the information about this display though.


anyone else feel free to make other suggestions, if I end up buying this I'll reply here, and I am pretty tempted to just buy this, but I've also recently been thinking about 1080p front projectors. They are expensive, but if I can dedicate an entire room to a home theater system it might be worth it, but I don't really know for the time being :-/


excuse the horrible grammar, I'm tired and I don't feel like revising this :p

[Oak]

I would get a westinghouse lvm 37 w3, it has all the inputs for yeah and goes to 1080p (1920x 1080)
Games look stunning on it! :)


I just ordered mine from sams club for $1145 after shipping :)

This is gonig to be the longest 10 days in my life!

-Oak

[soundfx4]

Well I just took it back and received a full refund, so I might go back tomorrow and buy a samsung CRT HD TV for my Wii and for watching regular TV and I'll buy this 42" display for my xbox 360, PS3, and my PC. (don't have a PS3 yet but I will sometime next year)

That is unless of course I end up buying a front projector and building a theater room. :)

[xilix]

Keep in mind that Westinghouse TV's have the worst return rate than any other TV company out there. They are the most unreliable TV's on the market. Period. If you buy one, BUY THE WARANNTY!! . I used to sell TV's for a living, trust me, Westinghouse TV's, for a lack of a better word---suck. They average life of any Westinghouse LCD is about 2 years. TWO YEARS and it dies.

Of course there are the gems that last, but the stats I was looking at when I was a salesmen were quite terrible. Most Westinghouse LCD's were being returned or serviced within 2 years of ownership, some at even less than 1 year of ownership. This means that if you don't get the 5 year warranty (from the store not westinghouse), then you're screwed.

Toshiba has the lowest return rate, with Samsung, JVC and Sony trailing not far behind. Westinghouse is insanely unreliable. Do not buy it unless you don't want the best for your money. Spend the extra $200 and go for a better brand.

[soundfx4]

Keep in mind that Westinghouse TV's have the worst return rate than any other TV company out there. They are the most unreliable TV's on the market. Period. If you buy one, BUY THE WARANNTY!! . I used to sell TV's for a living, trust me, Westinghouse TV's, for a lack of a better word---suck. They average life of any Westinghouse LCD is about 2 years. TWO YEARS and it dies.

Of course there are the gems that last, but the stats I was looking at when I was a salesmen were quite terrible. Most Westinghouse LCD's were being returned or serviced within 2 years of ownership, some at even less than 1 year of ownership. This means that if you don't get the 5 year warranty (from the store not westinghouse), then you're screwed.

Toshiba has the lowest return rate, with Samsung, JVC and Sony trailing not far behind. Westinghouse is insanely unreliable. Do not buy it unless you don't want the best for your money. Spend the extra $200 and go for a better brand.


You seam to not like westinghouse very much, which makes me wonder about the information you have provided. It's one thing to warn me but you are completely bashing westinghouse. While reading your entire post I was trying to figure out if you were simply providing advice, or if you were providing advice and at the same time expressing your hatred for for the westinghouse brand. The sentence that sold me on the fact that you hate westinghouse was your last one, "Spend the extra $200 and go for a better brand"

nonetheless I will take your advice into account, because even if you hate westinghouse I don't think you would come in here and post stuff that wasn't true, so I'll definitely look into other brands.

All that aside, do you have a suggestion for a TV or Display that fits my needs? The westinghouse is, so far, the only display that I know of that meets my needs.

Thanks.

[xilix]

I do hate Westinghouse, but it's for a very good reason. I've seen Westinghouse products upset more customers than any other product I've sold. Not just TV's either. Stand-alone freezers, refrigerators.. they all have an insane return rate compared to other brands and when the customer hasn't purchased the warranty.. it's just sad. I felt so bad for these people because I couldn't help them in any way. They either had to buy a new TV or spend a bunch of money getting it fixed. I tried to warn them, but they thought I was just trying to up-sale them into something they didn't need. Not only that, but they'd blame me for their purchasing woes, and therfor I would never see them as a customer again. You can see how I've developed some hatred for the brand, now.

It doesn't matter what TV you buy, you should always get a warranty because even the best of them can break. Over the years Toshiba, Samsung, Sony (though I think they're way overpriced) and JVC have shown to be the most consistently reliable over the years (at least in the store I worked at). I would personally buy nothing else unless I knew the source of the panels were from a quality manufacturer. I'm not a salesmen anymore, but I still talk to a few friends that are still doing it, and lately the LG's are getting fantastic results as far as customer satisfaction goes.

If you want, I can call my friend and ask him what brands have shown the best results in the past 6 months and what is the most reliable as of late.

BTW, if you go to a commission based sales floor, you can really get a good deal. Just keep acting like you're going to walk and that the price isn't attracting you, and they'll keep droppin' that price. Once the price stops falling, then you know they've reached the limit of how much they can cut the price. You wouldn't BELIEVE the markup on these things. I could cut nearly $1000 off of a $3600 TV set depending on what the markup was. I once sold a TV that stickered at $2500, for $1890 (Though the more I cut the price, the less comission I got). Commission based sales floors are where it's at. Find one and work them hard, and you'll get a good deal. Just remember that this is their paycheck too, so you can't be too aggressive or they'll actually give up on you. Be smooth, be tricky, and be nice to them. If you do it right, they will drop their pants and give you a fantastic deal.

You'll know when you're on a commission based floor when salesmen "hound you". In reality they aren't hounding you, they're just afraid that another salesmen is going to steal their sale. Just try to be nice to them. If they don't sell you anything they can't pay their bills.

[soundfx4]

I do hate Westinghouse, but it's for a very good reason. I've seen Westinghouse products upset more customers than any other product I've sold. Not just TV's either. Stand-alone freezers, refrigerators.. they all have an insane return rate compared to other brands and when the customer hasn't purchased the warranty.. it's just sad. I felt so bad for these people because I couldn't help them in any way. They either had to buy a new TV or spend a bunch of money getting it fixed. I tried to warn them, but they thought I was just trying to up-sale them into something they didn't need. Not only that, but they'd blame me for their purchasing woes, and therfor I would never see them as a customer again. You can see how I've developed some hatred for the brand, now.

It doesn't matter what TV you buy, you should always get a warranty because even the best of them can break. Over the years Toshiba, Samsung, Sony (though I think they're way overpriced) and JVC have shown to be the most consistently reliable over the years (at least in the store I worked at). I would personally buy nothing else unless I knew the source of the panels were from a quality manufacturer. I'm not a salesmen anymore, but I still talk to a few friends that are still doing it, and lately the LG's are getting fantastic results as far as customer satisfaction goes.

If you want, I can call my friend and ask him what brands have shown the best results in the past 6 months and what is the most reliable as of late.

BTW, if you go to a commission based sales floor, you can really get a good deal. Just keep acting like you're going to walk and that the price isn't attracting you, and they'll keep droppin' that price. Once the price stops falling, then you know they've reached the limit of how much they can cut the price. You wouldn't BELIEVE the markup on these things. I could cut nearly $1000 off of a $3600 TV set depending on what the markup was. I once sold a TV that stickered at $2500, for $1890 (Though the more I cut the price, the less comission I got). Commission based sales floors are where it's at. Find one and work them hard, and you'll get a good deal. Just remember that this is their paycheck too, so you can't be too aggressive or they'll actually give up on you. Be smooth, be tricky, and be nice to them. If you do it right, they will drop their pants and give you a fantastic deal.

You'll know when you're on a commission based floor when salesmen "hound you". In reality they aren't hounding you, they're just afraid that another salesmen is going to steal their sale. Just try to be nice to them. If they don't sell you anything they can't pay their bills.


yeah, if you dont' mind could you check with him? Also ask him about 1920 x 1080 in VGA and 1080p in component. Those are VERY important (which is why I took back that, otherwise very nice, TV).

Sears is commission based (I flat out asked the guy) and now I feel really bad because I don't know how much money he lost on that sale because I took back a 2600 dollar TV (it was actually 2000, but I got the 3 year on-site warranty). So I really want to try and get a TV from the same guy again, but I'm not going to buy something if it doesn't do what I want.

Another option I've actually been thinking about is getting an HD CRT for watching regular TV and my Wii, and getting a 1080p display for my 360, PS3 and other HD sources. I didn't realize how cheap those displays were as I was looking at newegg, I could probably get both a HD CRT and a display for 2600 dollars, and maybe even less! This plan is so stupid, it's retarded :beer:


just something I wanted to throw in here; I definitely do believe the mark ups on stuff. I know, and always have known, that it isn't that expensive to build a TV and that the prices that reach the end customer or at least 4 times that of what it cost to build, and often much more. That's one of the reason I hate corporate America (as I've stated several times at different places :p) that TV I purchased for 2000 dollars probably only cost sony 100 bucks to make, and no more then 500.

Oh yeah, this is also the reason I absolutely HATE monster cable. Electronics can be relatively expensive to make but CABLES! Those stupid things don't even cost 5 bucks to make. Most cables don't even cost a dollars to make and those ******** at monster smack a retail price of over 100 dollars for some of their cables! That kind of crap ****es me off more then anything...but now I'm just starting to bitch about unrelated things :p

[OniKoroshi]

I have the 42" sceptre and it accepts 1080P in vga, not sure about the component though. Its only $1300 from Costco right now.

[soundfx4]

I have the 42" sceptre and it accepts 1080P in vga, not sure about the component though. Its only $1300 from Costco right now.


Don't have a costco in my area, but I'm sure I can find that somewhere else. If you find out that it does 1080p in component please let me know. Thanks.

[OniKoroshi]

No, it doesn't accept 1080P over component. Any reason why you want this? Why not just use a digital output through HDMI? Only reason I could see you really wanting to use the 1080P is for a digital output anyhow, i.e. PC or a high def dvd player.

[aaronjb]

Keep in mind that Westinghouse TV's have the worst return rate than any other TV company out there. They are the most unreliable TV's on the market. Period. If you buy one, BUY THE WARANNTY!! . I used to sell TV's for a living, trust me, Westinghouse TV's, for a lack of a better word---suck. They average life of any Westinghouse LCD is about 2 years. TWO YEARS and it dies.

Of course there are the gems that last, but the stats I was looking at when I was a salesmen were quite terrible. Most Westinghouse LCD's were being returned or serviced within 2 years of ownership, some at even less than 1 year of ownership. This means that if you don't get the 5 year warranty (from the store not westinghouse), then you're screwed.

Toshiba has the lowest return rate, with Samsung, JVC and Sony trailing not far behind. Westinghouse is insanely unreliable. Do not buy it unless you don't want the best for your money. Spend the extra $200 and go for a better brand.
Whatever. Check out the 180-page thread on avsforums for hundreds of happy owners.

Don't spread this FUD.

To answer a question asked earlier: 1080p over component works with my 37w3, but it is an undocumented feature.

EDIT:

I want to emphasize this: Westinghouse is a rebrander. They don't manufacture any of their electronics products. The panels in these LCDs - the 37w3 and the 42w2 - are sourced from a company which supplies panels to other companies.

Please, before discounting this monitor, check out the AVSForums thread. It really is one of the best values around, and can be had for $1000 - $1300, depending on location and sales.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=655280

[aaronjb]

I do hate Westinghouse, but it's for a very good reason. I've seen Westinghouse products upset more customers than any other product I've sold. Not just TV's either. Stand-alone freezers, refrigerators.. they all have an insane return rate compared to other brands and when the customer hasn't purchased the warranty.. it's just sad. I felt so bad for these people because I couldn't help them in any way. They either had to buy a new TV or spend a bunch of money getting it fixed. I tried to warn them, but they thought I was just trying to up-sale them into something they didn't need. Not only that, but they'd blame me for their purchasing woes, and therfor I would never see them as a customer again. You can see how I've developed some hatred for the brand, now.
I appreciate your perspective, but as someone who sells these products you should know that Westinghouse is little more than a rebrander. To compare the quality of their home appliances to the quality of this monitor is unfair.

It doesn't matter what TV you buy, you should always get a warranty because even the best of them can break.
Spoken like a true salesman. I've had no problem with the standard warranty offered by the manufacturer. PSPs and extended warranties are the biggest scams in retail right now. Does anyone get anything other than grief when trying to use these warranties? Since when should consumers trust an insurance product sold by a teenage clerk? There should be some sort of regulation of these products; the tactics used to sell them are devious.

If you want, I can call my friend and ask him what brands have shown the best results in the past 6 months and what is the most reliable as of late.
Oh, please do. Just have him tell me what to buy and I'll write a check!

Folks, do your own research. Hearsay is worthless. Look for objective reviews from reputable sources.

[aaronjb]

Of course there are the gems that last, but the stats I was looking at when I was a salesmen were quite terrible. Most Westinghouse LCD's were being returned or serviced within 2 years of ownership, some at even less than 1 year of ownership. This means that if you don't get the 5 year warranty (from the store not westinghouse), then you're screwed.

Toshiba has the lowest return rate, with Samsung, JVC and Sony trailing not far behind. Westinghouse is insanely unreliable. Do not buy it unless you don't want the best for your money. Spend the extra $200 and go for a better brand.
Also, I'd like some sources for your figures. Where do you work? What do your LCD numbers look like across the board? What models are we talking about, from all manufacturers?

Your information is purely subjective without numbers and sources.

EDIT:

I apologize if my responses are harsh. I know that you're trying to help others out. I'm very pleased with my purchase, however, and I don't want others to miss out on a great deal.

[soundfx4]

No, it doesn't accept 1080P over component. Any reason why you want this? Why not just use a digital output through HDMI? Only reason I could see you really wanting to use the 1080P is for a digital output anyhow, i.e. PC or a high def dvd player.

I can name two resons right off hand:

1: I may want to use component out on my 360 instead of the VGA output at times, and I'll accept nothing less then progressive scan.

2: If anything I plug into it via component supports 1080p I want it to be displayed in 1080p.


why would you ask me why I don't just use HDMI? I know I explained my needs in my first post :confused:

lol, nevermind, I didn't mention it, sorry about that :p

[soundfx4]

I went to work on a guys computer the other day and he had a westinghouse display (an older one, but still westinghouse) he said he was very happy with it. I'm starting to lean twords westinghouse, as they are looking better and better. I'm still going to get an HD CRT TV though for my Wii and Standard TV.

[soundfx4]

Just wanted to bring this threads attention to people that may not have seen it yet. I am hoping to get more suggestions if anyone else has any. Thanks

[soundfx4]

Does anyone know of a really good forum dedicated to displays and TVs? That might be a better place to ask this question.

[aaronjb]

Does anyone know of a really good forum dedicated to displays and TVs? That might be a better place to ask this question.

avsforum.com - by far the best resource for all things A/V related.

[soundfx4]

avsforum.com - by far the best resource for all things A/V related.

thanks mate! I'll check over there to see if they have any suggestions. That forum name sounds familiar, I may actually have an account there :p I'll have to see though. Anyway, thanks again!


That place sounded familiar because I had visited it before, but I don't have an account there...or rather I didn't :p

[aaronjb]

That place sounded familiar because I had visited it before, but I don't have an account there...or rather I didn't :p

Now be sure to read the 200-page thread on the Westinghouse 37w3. :)

[soundfx4]

Now be sure to read the 200-page thread on the Westinghouse 37w3. :)


lol, holy crap. I guess I should get started then :D

[LandShark]

soooo.... what's the verdict?? I'm also thinking to get this HDTV as I'm looking a 1080p display for my 2nd PS3 in the bedroom (and to fully explore the potential of the blueray movies & PS3 games)! I'm currently using a 50" 720p/1080i Samsung HDTV for one of my PS3 in the living room. picture is great, but I'm hoping for more.

[Raypundo]

I am currently using a 42" Sharp Aquos D62U series for my PC monitor, looks fantastic.

Accepts 1080p/60 over HDMI with 1:1 pixel mapping.

I believe that it can accept 108p over component too, but that stat never mattered to me much :p No VGA connection but I just use a DVI->HDMI converter and a standard HDMI cord, works fine.

For X-Box users as long as you are using component it should be fine. AVSForums or DigitalHomeCanada should have more info. It is also available at Sears :p

Westinghouse (not the same as who makes appliances btw) TV's do have alot of input options, but has it's share of bugs and defects. If anyone buys one just make sure you can return it easily if you have a bad model. Good advice for any TV really.

[aaronjb]

Westinghouse (not the same as who makes appliances btw) TV's do have alot of input options, but has it's share of bugs and defects. If anyone buys one just make sure you can return it easily if you have a bad model. Good advice for any TV really.

That is the same Westinghouse. From appliances to HDTVs... they've got their fingers in everything. But they're really a rebrander, purchasing components and full appliances from manufacturers and slapping the Westinghouse logo on them.

Also, please give me your Aquos. Thanks. :)

[LandShark]

btw, is $1099 (from newegg) pretty much the best price ATM?? should I jump in or wait a bit longer (another month)??

[nakatalee]

I tried VGA, and it does support 1920x1080.

Component definetly works. I use it on the x360 with zero problems.
http://home.comcast.net/~noxqzs/pics/lvm42.jpg


And the L/R audio is supplementary. They are only used if you use a DVI to HDMI cable and require additional audio. If on HDMI, they are not necessary.

The best thing about this monitor, and I have yet to see another one do this, is it allows you to view multiple HD sources simultaneously while in PIP.

My only gripe with this TV, is the weak signal of the remote. Since I use a Logitech harmony, it doesn't bother me as much though.

I have the westy 42w2, I never had a chance to test 1080p on the component, according to the manual, the component only accept 1080i. I thought the XBOX 360 only can output highest 1080i?

[Raypundo]

Sorry it's already mounted on the wall ;)

I thought I read that a company bought the rights to use the Westinghouse name to sell the TV's under, and that the two Westinghouses are different. It's just what I thought I read on AVS. Either way it doesn't make much difference :p

Edit for post that came in while writing: I think the manual says 1080i but it can do 1080p, I think my Aquos might even be the same sort of thing.

[Burdman27911]

I wouldn't buy TVs from the Egg... but amazon has it for something like $20 more.

[soundfx4]

I am currently using a 42" Sharp Aquos D62U series for my PC monitor, looks fantastic.

Accepts 1080p/60 over HDMI with 1:1 pixel mapping.

I believe that it can accept 108p over component too, but that stat never mattered to me much :p No VGA connection but I just use a DVI->HDMI converter and a standard HDMI cord, works fine.

For X-Box users as long as you are using component it should be fine. AVSForums or DigitalHomeCanada should have more info. It is also available at Sears :p

Westinghouse (not the same as who makes appliances btw) TV's do have alot of input options, but has it's share of bugs and defects. If anyone buys one just make sure you can return it easily if you have a bad model. Good advice for any TV really.


I know for a fact that the sharp display accepts 1080p via component as I tried this out myself on one of the store displays. The VGA connection is a must though, as I'd like to have the option of component or VGA for my 360. I'm sure most of you know the color output of the VGA and component for the 360 are quite different and I usually prefer the more faded look of the VGA connection.

[soundfx4]

I have the westy 42w2, I never had a chance to test 1080p on the component, according to the manual, the component only accept 1080i. I thought the XBOX 360 only can output highest 1080i?

The latest update to the dashboard allows 1080p via component and 1920 x 1080 in VGA (before it was maxed at 1366 x 768 or something like that)

[soundfx4]

soooo.... what's the verdict?? I'm also thinking to get this HDTV as I'm looking a 1080p display for my 2nd PS3 in the bedroom (and to fully explore the potential of the blueray movies & PS3 games)! I'm currently using a 50" 720p/1080i Samsung HDTV for one of my PS3 in the living room. picture is great, but I'm hoping for more.

.....:-/ I'm sorry, but I've got to ask this. What in the world do you need two PS3s for? I just can't see any reason why anyone would spend 1200 bucks on two PS3s for any reason (well other then hacking and/or reverse engineering). Or maybe simply two cheap (relatively speaking of course) blu-ray players?

I mean...1200 bucks, that is like an entire day of work for me!



oh wait, are you using them for folding too? I completely forgot the PS3 supports folding!

[LandShark]

I wouldn't buy TVs from the Egg... but amazon has it for something like $20 more.
any reason why?
.....:-/ I'm sorry, but I've got to ask this. What in the world do you need two PS3s for? I just can't see any reason why anyone would spend 1200 bucks on two PS3s for any reason (well other then hacking and/or reverse engineering). Or maybe simply two cheap (relatively speaking of course) blu-ray players?

I mean...1200 bucks, that is like an entire day of work for me!

oh wait, are you using them for folding too? I completely forgot the PS3 supports folding!
yup, you are right on most reasons. part of the main reason is for folding. part is for cheap blueray player. and lastly, one is free as a x'mas gift. one I got a hack of a deal from it!! 60GB version ($599 retail) + 3 games (cost $60 each) + 2nd controller (cost $50 alone), all brand new in sealed box, cost me $680 for all of them!! ;) but now I'll need a 1080p TV to fully utlitlize it!! :D

(I had a chance to get another 20GB version + 1 game for $460, but I passed as I haven't heard much from Stanford about the PS3 folding client lately....)

[Vulcan]

Why two displays? Why not spend the money on one really nice display? You might even want to look into projection if you have the right room for it.

[soundfx4]

any reason why?

yup, you are right on most reasons. part of the main reason is for folding. part is for cheap blueray player. and lastly, one is free as a x'mas gift. one I got a hack of a deal from it!! 60GB version ($599 retail) + 3 games (cost $60 each) + 2nd controller (cost $50 alone), all brand new in sealed box, cost me $680 for all of them!! ;) but now I'll need a 1080p TV to fully utlitlize it!! :D

(I had a chance to get another 20GB version + 1 game for $460, but I passed as I haven't heard much from Stanford about the PS3 folding client lately....)

holy crap! haha, where did you get that deal? Let me guess, ebay from those people that tried to make a profit but ended up loosing money? I'm just taking a stab in the dark there.


oh btw, that 1200 dollar a day thing is of course a load of BS :p I just wanted to see if anyone would say anything :D

[Burdman27911]

any reason why?

Newegg returns are horrible for TVs, take a look at this:

# How are oversize televisions (24 inches and larger) returned in the event of a problem?
Televisions 24 inches and larger cannot be returned to Newegg.com for refund or replacement service. Therefore, you are urged to carefully examine the box your television ships in before signing for the package. Should you observe any damage to the shipping box, or if the wrong product was sent, you must refuse delivery while the shipping courier is still on the premises. The item will be returned to Newegg.com and you will be refunded the full amount, including applicable shipping costs and tax. If you determine upon inspection that the condition of the shipping box is satisfactory, an adult is required to sign the shipping courier's release form to complete delivery. By signing this release, you are acknowledging and agreeing to Newegg.com's Terms and Conditions, understanding that you cannot return the television to Newegg.com and that the condition of the delivery meets your expectations. After delivery, please read all included documentation and/or contact the manufacturer directly to determine applicable warranty coverage or for technical support.

That's straight from http://www.newegg.com/CustomerService/FAQDetail.asp?Module=6

I'm just not a fan of that, if it's DOA, then I would have to go through Westinghouse and try to get a replacement... and that just doesn't sound like fun.

[LandShark]

Why two displays? Why not spend the money on one really nice display? You might even want to look into projection if you have the right room for it.
'cos I already have a 50" 720p/1080i Samsung HDTV in the living room, plus I want to put the 2nd PS3 in the bedroom but with a 1080p display for more future proof and fully "use" the PS3/Blueray's graphic power.
holy crap! haha, where did you get that deal? Let me guess, ebay from those people that tried to make a profit but ended up loosing money? I'm just taking a stab in the dark there.


oh btw, that 1200 dollar a day thing is of course a load of BS :p I just wanted to see if anyone would say anything :D
nope! geniuns sealed box directly from SonyStyle!! ;)

btw, yeah, I was like what is this guy talking about me having 2 PS3 while he makes that much in just a day!! :argue: :D
Newegg returns are horrible for TVs, take a look at this:

That's straight from http://www.newegg.com/CustomerService/FAQDetail.asp?Module=6

I'm just not a fan of that, if it's DOA, then I would have to go through Westinghouse and try to get a replacement... and that just doesn't sound like fun.
oh tks for the heads up!! so amazon is a much better place for it?

[Raypundo]

For all those non-VGA people that might use component or HDMI ;) the Aquos is a wonderfull TV. There is the 92 series coming out soon as well and I thought I read it had 1080p/120, though I have no complaints about the 62 series at all.

CES is in 2 weeks, just wait for that to see whats coming out for the year and read some early reviews :)

[s00pcan]

I have to recommend the 37" westinghouse.. I have it.. I love it.

[aaronjb]

I mean...1200 bucks, that is like an entire day of work for me!


Please let me join you in whatever profession you practice. :D

[Burdman27911]

LandShark, I'm not really sure if Amazon is much better, but I didn't see anything that stood out in their returns section.... let me go take a quick peek again.

EDIT: They don't say anything specific about TVs, so I'd assume they are just normal returns/refunds within 30 days.

[LandShark]

LandShark, I'm not really sure if Amazon is much better, but I didn't see anything that stood out in their returns section.... let me go take a quick peek again.

EDIT: They don't say anything specific about TVs, so I'd assume they are just normal returns/refunds within 30 days.
tks a lot for the look up!! :thup: ;)

[soundfx4]

Please let me join you in whatever profession you practice. :D

sure come on over! We hit banks first, then we go to stores and min-marts, then we lay low for a while, after which we bribe the head of police :D

sorry I couldn't help myself :p I was, of course, joking about that money just in case someone didn't know, or didn't read above :) If I had that much money I would just buy all the TVs and then when I found the one I wanted, I'd give the others away ;)

[treepop]

aaronjb since you seem well read on both the 37" and 42" 1080p westinghouse monitors, which one would you suggest. The 37 or the 42?


****EDIT*****
I plan to use this as my main TV and my PC gaming monitor...going to use my mac book for researching and reading etc...

Thanks

[Orion66]

Hi,

Just let people know that BB has the Westinghouse onsale until the end of Jan.
I'm thinking of getting the 37 myself and its around $200 cheaper then Newegg.
But, the only thing holding me back is the way the Westinghouse handles its black.
Compared to the other LCD's sitting next to them it sure looks bad.

[treepop]

Hi,

Just let people know that BB has the Westinghouse onsale until the end of Jan.
I'm thinking of getting the 37 myself and its around $200 cheaper then Newegg.
But, the only thing holding me back is the way the Westinghouse handles its black.
Compared to the other LCD's sitting next to them it sure looks bad.


Can I have a link to the BB sale?? I see it for $1499.00 is that what your talking about?


Thanks

[aaronjb]

Hi,

Just let people know that BB has the Westinghouse onsale until the end of Jan.
I'm thinking of getting the 37 myself and its around $200 cheaper then Newegg.
But, the only thing holding me back is the way the Westinghouse handles its black.
Compared to the other LCD's sitting next to them it sure looks bad.

The default Westinghouse settings in two Best Buys I've been at are atrocious. Waaaaay too much backlight and brightness. I saw the same thing, but was able to adequately calibrate the set when I got it home.

You should know, however, that the Westinghouse 37" set does not have RGB color adjustments - the service code hasn't been found yet. I think someone has found the service code for the 42".

[damarble]

I really like the specs on the Westinghouse LVM-42W2, I might get that myself later this year. I'm still not sold on the quality of Westinghouse stuff but these days even the "elite" brands are built to be "disposable" so it's not a huge issue.


Sears is commission based (I flat out asked the guy) and now I feel really bad because I don't know how much money he lost on that sale because I took back a 2600 dollar TV (it was actually 2000, but I got the 3 year on-site warranty). So I really want to try and get a TV from the same guy again, but I'm not going to buy something if it doesn't do what I want.

Their commission is somewhere around 4% + base, somewhere around $4-6. Not sure on the exact figures and it varies by department. The comission on the extended warranty is higher, around 6-10% IIRC.



Spoken like a true salesman. I've had no problem with the standard warranty offered by the manufacturer. PSPs and extended warranties are the biggest scams in retail right now. Does anyone get anything other than grief when trying to use these warranties? Since when should consumers trust an insurance product sold by a teenage clerk? There should be some sort of regulation of these products; the tactics used to sell them are devious.

A lot of these newer TVs have terrible build quality and higher failure rates. And the sad thing is not even the manufacture knows how to fix them sometimes. The answer is to throw parts at it until it works. :rolleyes: (A bigger problem with the off brands too.) Personally, if I were to buy any set over $1000 I'd get the 5 year warranty, which should be under $300. The Sears warranties are actually pretty good, one of the best. (Worst part is calling the 800 number to set up a service call, it's BAD. But IIRC you can hit # a bunch of times to get to a real person and get it over quickly.) And they have their own service techs instead of subbing it out to a contractor. Plus they will sell you a warranty on your TV no matter where you bought it.

[Orion66]

Can I have a link to the BB sale?? I see it for $1499.00 is that what your talking about?


Thanks

Sorry about the info.. What it is, is BB is having a sale on the 32, 37, and 42
in store. No info on the web page for these monitors. The sale is suppose
to be lasting until the end of the month. (salesperson says)

Hope that helps..

[aaronjb]

Sorry about the info.. What it is, is BB is having a sale on the 32, 37, and 42
in store. No info on the web page for these monitors. The sale is suppose
to be lasting until the end of the month. (salesperson says)

Hope that helps..

I haven't seen this at my local BB, but it's probably the case. Westinghouse is doing away with the old 37" and 42" sets to make room for three new sizes, the smallest being 42". If you want a 37" and see it on sale, grab it.

[ozziegn]

You seam to not like westinghouse very much, which makes me wonder about the information you have provided. It's one thing to warn me but you are completely bashing westinghouse.

okay, I'm going to jump in the ring myself and start bashing Westinghouse because I in fact did have one for a very short period of time.

I initially bought the 37" HDTV 1080p LCD monitor that so many people brag about. I picked that one because the price was much cheaper than other models in the same size range so I figured what the heck. how could so many people be wrong? boy was I wrong...

upon initially unpacking my 37" Westy, I had the impression of how cheap the TV looked. it almost looked like the kind of TV that one would fine used at a pawn shop. :p

so I then went to my local Best Buy and I looked at the Sony Bravia XBR2 40" TV and I was immediately amazed at how much clearer, sharper and brighter it looked over my 37" Westy. two totally different TVs. now, I do realize that the price differences between the two TVs was huge but that was okay. I like quality stuff so therefore I dont mind paying a little extra for it.

I've since then of course returned the Westy and bought the 40" XBR2 from Sony. this TV is nice, very nice. it doesnt have that cheap, pawn shop look and feel like the 37" Westy did. so the saying still stands. you do indeed get what you pay for.

[treepop]

does anyone know what the new westinghouse tv's will cost and offer compared to todays westinghouse sets?

[aaronjb]

okay, I'm going to jump in the ring myself and start bashing Westinghouse because I in fact did have one for a very short period of time.

I initially bought the 37" HDTV 1080p LCD monitor that so many people brag about. I picked that one because the price was much cheaper than other models in the same size range so I figured what the heck. how could so many people be wrong? boy was I wrong...

upon initially unpacking my 37" Westy, I had the impression of how cheap the TV looked. it almost looked like the kind of TV that one would fine used at a pawn shop. :p

so I then went to my local Best Buy and I looked at the Sony Bravia XBR2 40" TV and I was immediately amazed at how much clearer, sharper and brighter it looked over my 37" Westy. two totally different TVs. now, I do realize that the price differences between the two TVs was huge but that was okay. I like quality stuff so therefore I dont mind paying a little extra for it.

I've since then of course returned the Westy and bought the 40" XBR2 from Sony. this TV is nice, very nice. it doesnt have that cheap, pawn shop look and feel like the 37" Westy did. so the saying still stands. you do indeed get what you pay for.

I have to agree with this. The Westinghouse does not have that "Professional" look that the Bravia's have. However, from all accounts I've read, and from firsthand experience, the IQ of the Westinghouse panel isn't worlds apart from the Bravia - but there is a noticeable difference.

But we're not talking about a "little difference" in price. I picked up my Westinghouse for $1300, and many folks grabbed one for ~$1000 around the holidays. The XBR2 42" is $3000 at my local BB.

The upcoming Westinghouse models have much improved aesthetics. The look of the current Westinghouse leaves much to be desired.

[aaronjb]

does anyone know what the new westinghouse tv's will cost and offer compared to todays westinghouse sets?

http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-6147585.html

Pricing for the new 42": $1,999; 47": $2499; 52: Not Yet Determined.

[soundfx4]

okay, I'm going to jump in the ring myself and start bashing Westinghouse because I in fact did have one for a very short period of time.

I initially bought the 37" HDTV 1080p LCD monitor that so many people brag about. I picked that one because the price was much cheaper than other models in the same size range so I figured what the heck. how could so many people be wrong? boy was I wrong...

upon initially unpacking my 37" Westy, I had the impression of how cheap the TV looked. it almost looked like the kind of TV that one would fine used at a pawn shop. :p

so I then went to my local Best Buy and I looked at the Sony Bravia XBR2 40" TV and I was immediately amazed at how much clearer, sharper and brighter it looked over my 37" Westy. two totally different TVs. now, I do realize that the price differences between the two TVs was huge but that was okay. I like quality stuff so therefore I dont mind paying a little extra for it.

I've since then of course returned the Westy and bought the 40" XBR2 from Sony. this TV is nice, very nice. it doesnt have that cheap, pawn shop look and feel like the 37" Westy did. so the saying still stands. you do indeed get what you pay for.


That's real nice, but that sony TV doesn't accept 1080p via component and and that is a major problem for me. The VGA on that model, however, does accept 1920 x 1080; I tried that out at a Lee hartman and son, a local professional Audio/Video store.

[soundfx4]

http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-6147585.html

Pricing for the new 42": $1,999; 47": $2499; 52: Not Yet Determined.

I gotta say that that really ****es me off, because the current 47" display is only $2,000, and there gonna come out with another 47" and jack the price up $500?! :mad:


Ok, well maybe I opened my mouth too soon, perhaps there is good reason for this price jump. One thing I just found out is that these models have a TV tuner in them, however that alone does not justify $500 price increase. I'll have to look into this more, but for now I'm still upset about it.

[aaronjb]

I gotta say that that really ****es me off, because the current 47" display is only $2,000, and there gonna come out with another 47" and jack the price up $500?! :mad:


Ok, well maybe I opened my mouth too soon, perhaps there is good reason for this price jump. One thing I just found out is that these models have a TV tuner in them, however that alone does not justify $500 price increase. I'll have to look into this more, but for now I'm still upset about it.

It's just the name of the game in the LCD market right now. Prices are dropping super fast, so the new models will be priced higher. But I doubt that you'll see one of these at MSRP, even on the release date; I'm sure they'll be going for much less.

[soundfx4]

It's just the name of the game in the LCD market right now. Prices are dropping super fast, so the new models will be priced higher. But I doubt that you'll see one of these at MSRP, even on the release date; I'm sure they'll be going for much less.


oh, you know what? I didn't even think about that! Haha, there is still hope :) Thanks! :attn: