37" Widescreen 8ms LCD, Much cheaper than Apple's 30-inch LCD

[Silversinksam]

Benq goes for bust on 37-inch screens

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=33957

Just have to see how much they actually will cost.

http://www.theinquirer.net/images/articles/benqd.jpg

[jivetrky]

WOW...a big screen that actually has a good resolution! I also wonder how much they will cost. Hopefully BenQ can keep the price down and sell a ton.

I like the inquirers noting it's 8ns response time....that'll certainly eliminate any ghosting issues! :)


Only thing I could think that would be negative with this is that with it's large size it probably won't scale that well to play PC games at lower than 1920x1200. The pixels would be pretty large. But overall I'm kind of excited to hear about it!

[e6600]

the apple 30 incher goes for about 2grand. that 37inch with high res and low response time is "much cheaper"

[Neural Net]

Well, no news on the actual resolution of the display. Says it supports 1920x1080, I guess that's its maximum, what's the betting it's 1080i and not 1080p as well. The Apple display has a slower response rate and higher price because it has a resolution of 2560x1600, which is a significantly higher than 1080p res, and is geared towards video editing professionals (so that they can view 1080p media and still use palettes etc on the same screen). Personally, I'd rather go with the Apple display, or I'd go with a proper 1080p HDTV.

[BossBorot]

I thought that was a tv when I read the article.

edit: it is meaning the apple and dell 30" will destory it were it matters, in resolution. What makes this tv any different then other 1080p sets out now, other then the benq name that is?

[dogbert_2001]

This is a TV. There are TVs larger than 50", and I can hook up my PC to it if I wanted to. I don't see how you can compare it to the 30" monitors.

[Robbie T]

WOW! I want one :)

[RedDragonXXX]

1080p LCD TV's have been out for awhile now, what's the big deal with this one :confused:

[krag]

From the article...
. Its good for games and consoles and this display/TV is much cheaper than Apple's 30-inch display that everyone is talking about.

I beleive its good enough to use as a PC monitor and it will be cheaper than the highly touted Apple monstorsity that requires an arm and a leg in order to purchase...;) Thas what makes it a big deal. Also the 8ms respnse time whic fully eliminates gohsting (as stated previously).

BENq DV3750 37" monitor (http://www.benq.com/products/LCDTV/?product=575) Here are some more specs and a little more info on it directly from the manufacturer. If this is reasonalbe, I may just purchase it to replace my Dell 2405 24" widescreen.

[kwongnewman]

Hopefully this will help bring the prices of other monitors down, then I can afford to get the Dell 30" LCD. :D

[Neural Net]

Hopefully this will help bring the prices of other monitors down, then I can afford to get the Dell 30" LCD. :D

Good point, if there's one thing I love it's healthy competition, it's only good for the consumer, with the Bluray vs HD DVD war being an exception. :beer:

[wa77ss]

This looks like a very solid LCD. Although, Im not much of a fan for the silver/gray encasement.

Black is much more sexy :p

[MadMan007]

"It is the top of the tree and you can also get the 32-incher with the same resolution."

That almost seems more interesting to me. While it's low res for a 32" compared to the Apple or Dell 30"ers it would makes for a perfect hybrid monitor and HDTV, something which requires a compromise one way or another atm. It also means not having to have a rediculous cost video card sub-system for native res.

[Neural Net]

"It is the top of the tree and you can also get the 32-incher with the same resolution."

That almost seems more interesting to me. While it's low res for a 32" compared to the Apple or Dell 30"ers it would makes for a perfect hybrid monitor and HDTV, something which requires a compromise one way or another atm. It also means not having to have a rediculous cost video card sub-system for native res.

It certainly seems to be at that sweet spot, it would be interesting to see if anyone on these forums purchases one, be perfect setup for a PC, Xbox 360 and HDTV, although you'd probably need Crossfire or SLI.

[MadMan007]

Yea I suppose you'd still need something pretty good for 1920x1080 although I'd bet a single high-end card could do that res alright. If you had to you could always run a less wide res without scaling the picture for games.

Hmm, how would one know which resolutions to compare performance-wise? Because I've never seen any tests at 1920x1080. Would you find the closest similar number of pixles? (1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels)

[Neural Net]

Yea I suppose you'd still need something pretty good for 1920x1080 although I'd bet a single high-end card could do that res alright. If you had to you could always run a less wide res without scaling the picture for games.

Hmm, how would one know which resolutions to compare performance-wise? Because I've never seen any tests at 1920x1080. Would you find the closest similar number of pixles? (1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels)

1600x1200 would be the closest at 1,920,000 pixels. A lot of tests use that res now, in particular for SLI and crossfire setups. Sorry I'm unable to find you any links to any example benchmarks, but they are out there. :)

[MadMan007]

Yea I have seen a few they just aren't common yet. 1600x1200 is only 5% fewer pixels so that's pretty close and would probably translate into a few fps.

[jivetrky]

I think 1600x1200 is about the closest you will see (~150k less pixels)

I ran any game besides oblivion at 1920x1200 with my Oced SLI 7900GTX's. I ran oblivion at 1680x1050 with all but grass maxed (grass was off). By maxed I mean the setting selector was set to HDR and Ultra high settings. Then all sliders in the game were set all the way to the right except for grass, which was all the way to the left.

So I'd say that with SLI, you'd be able to run any game at high settings at that resolution.

And could probably run most games at high(er) settings with a single card at that res.

I would wonder how it would scale to lower resolutions. Maybe the 32" would scale a little better than the 37". My 24" would scale quite well. My 17" WS dell laptop scales pretty well from 1920x1200 down to 1400x900 (in most games, some it is noticably pixelated)

Guess we'll have to wait until one of you rich kids buys one and tells us how it is :)

[Neural Net]

I ran any game besides oblivion at 1920x1200 with my Oced SLI 7900GTX's. I ran oblivion at 1680x1050 with all but grass maxed (grass was off).

Just as a side note, how much does having grass all the way to the right affect performance?

[MadMan007]

jive - it should scale better because same resolution on a smaller screen means smaller pixels.

[Burdman27911]

Display Compatible-HDTV Compatible 480i / 480p / 720p / 1080iNo mention of 1080p, but the 1920x1080 res is quite nice tho. Personally I would be considering this or the 32" for an HTPC... it would really be wonderful IMO.

[paupton]

Anyone know where to buy one of the 32" at this time?

[Super Nade]

I like the inquirers noting it's 8ns response time....that'll certainly eliminate any ghosting issues! :)


That my friend cannot be true with current technology. Its off by several orders of magnitude. A response time in nanoseconds is simply not possible as of today's commercial processes. :)

[krag]

That my friend cannot be true with current technology. Its off by several orders of magnitude. A response time in nanoseconds is simply not possible as of today's commercial processes. :)

Explain please, and at length, so an ancient, at times foggy minded, squint eyed peoples like myself can understand. ;) I believe he meant "ms" as what the listing says. Milliseconds...

[jivetrky]

no, I was quoting the inquirer article, they used ns instead of ms

Thus the: :) after
And why it was in italics

:)


EDIT:
This is one of the first LCDs of this size with 8ns response. Converted to metric, we are talking abouta 94cm screen.

[Neural Net]

Well considering this LCD is designed to be a relatively inexpensive screen for the 1080 resolution, I very much doubt it will be a 1080p set and no way have a 8ns response time. Otherwise there would be other HDTV sets out there with such response times and not one commercial LCD has broken 2 or 4ms response times from what I've seen.

[Super Nade]

Explain please, and at length, so an ancient, at times foggy minded, squint eyed peoples like myself can understand. ;) I believe he meant "ms" as what the listing says. Milliseconds...
There are several time parameters which play a role in LCD response time. I'll list them out quickly and fill in the explainations later tonight. :)

LC layer thickness, viscosity, temperature and surface treatment, the driving waveform and the relaxation time of the LC's. AFAIK, the sum total of all these effects cannot reach the nano-second regimn in a conventional LCD.

note that 1 ns = 1 x 10-9 s, while 1 ms = 1 x 10-3 s. Thie difference is about 6 orders of magnitude!! There is no way a LC ensemble can respond so quickly to an applied light field.

[Gautam]

It's obviously a typo, 8 ms not ns. Nothing very exotic.

[Elif Tymes]

Shush! You scientists think you know everything, well, I just wave my magic wand of inquirer-isity and WALAH! 8ns response time!

Of course, I also just opened up a portal to the Dimension of Pain, but that's beside the point!

[Super Nade]

It's obviously a typo, 8 ms not ns. Nothing very exotic.
Yes. I thought it would be informative to understand why the typo is all the more glaring. Also, krag wanted reasons, so I listed a few pertinent ones.

[krag]

It's obviously a typo, 8 ms not ns. Nothing very exotic.

Indeed, the Inquirer is famous for thier typos. I think most of thier writters are Eruopean who speak English as a 2nd language. One of thier consistent misuses of tech speak that irritates me is the over-use of "Marchetechture." ...:mad: :temper: Why can't they just say "archetecture" when speaking about the internal archetecture of new CPUs or GPUs? marchetechture, marchetechture, marchetechture, marchetechture,marchetechture, marchetechture,marchetechture, marchetechture,marchetechture, marchetechture,marchetechture, marchetechture,marchetechture, marchetechture,...:bang head :bang head

[Gautam]

It's spelled "architecture". ;)

[Super Nade]

krag, I think they mean to say macro-architecture. I would imagine the basic functional sub-units of a GPU or CPU, like the ALU,FPU etc would constitute the basic architecture; the arrangement of those sub-units i.e how they communicate may be considered as macro-architecture and the composition of the individual gates/transistors (including process/substrate technology) could be called micro-architecture. :)

I'm with you here, I prefer the use of the word architecture instead of marchitecture.

The occasional typ is o.k by me, but it throws the reader off if they mess with the numbers. For example: Now where is my 213 GHz E6400? :D

[krag]

It's spelled "architecture". ;)

Krag is also famous for his typos..LOL! :santa:

[MadMan007]

No, they mean 'marketecture' aka 'marketing architecture.' Like a gimped graphics card that is 'current generation so therefore it's better than previous generation.'

[Douken]

I'm not even going to read, why not get an 37" HD TV?????? I mean...whats the difference?

[Edit]

whats the price tag on theese "monitors"...ugh

[Double Edit]

Now I'm bothered... u want ur stupid HDTV right?

ohh wait u also want the following

8ms
1920x1080
1080p
and
37"
cheap
.... ok here u go

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112174

[Silversinksam]

Krag is also famous for his typos..LOL! :santa:

Been trying to get OL Kragter to use www.iespell.com for years....:bang head

[krag]

Been trying to get OL Kragter to use www.iespell.com for years....:bang head

Ok, OK, sheeesh, I ma donwloading it know...Heh! :santa:

[Silversinksam]

Ok, OK, sheeesh, I ma donwloading it know...Heh! :santa:


Oh yah, I forgot to tell you I bought a HID flashlight, when I do the SSS flashlight test this time, I may become permanently blind :beer:

Found someone selling a Powerlight PL-24 Short for $50, moron didn't know it was worth $450, and I wasn't going to tell him. I could tell he thought he was getting one over on me charging $50..

[Douken]

Oh yah, I forgot to tell you I bought a HID flashlight, when I do the SSS flashlight test this time, I may become permanently blind :beer:

Found someone selling a Powerlight PL-24 Short for $50, moron didn't know it was worth $450, and I wasn't going to tell him. I could tell he thought he was getting one over on me charging $50..
$450 for a flashlight?!! If it doesn't make cofee i don't want it!



BTW nice deal!! try it on the ducks first:D

[Silversinksam]

$450 for a flashlight?!! If it doesn't make cofee i don't want it!



BTW nice deal!! try it on the ducks first:D


It's an HID flashlight, and it's brighter and whiter than any flashlight I've ever used. Some High end autos have HID lights, and they cost around $2000 if you want to upgrade your car to have them.
I just ran the serial number on the flashlight I bought through the Florida Department of Law Enforcement's database and it came back clean. If it turned out to be hot goods, I would have returned it to the owner, I'm sure that if it was hot and I returned it, I would get reinbursed for the $50. But since it's not, I'm keeping it ;)

[krag]

I'm not even going to read, why not get an 37" HD TV?????? I mean...whats the difference?

[Edit]

whats the price tag on theese "monitors"...ugh

[Double Edit]

Now I'm bothered... u want ur stupid HDTV right?

ohh wait u also want the following

8ms
1920x1080
1080p
and
37"
cheap
.... ok here u go

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112174


Oh dang it...I have $1200 saved for my G-80 SLI upgrade too. Man, this forum makes me spend more money than anything else in my life. What do i do? Keep the money for G-80 SLI or get this sweet 37" Specter LCD?

[Silversinksam]

Oh dang it...I have $1200 saved for my G-80 SLI upgrade too. Man, this forum makes me spend more money than anything else in my life. What do i do? Keep the money for G-80 SLI or get this sweet 37" Specter LCD?

I'm waiting for you to buy this (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34091), then I'm coming to your house when your on vacation to 'borrow it' http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/mine.gif

PS, I can tell your using iespell

[Albaholic]

hahaha good luck sss carrying that beast away

[BossBorot]

He has an army of ducks to help him. Also when it comes to HDTV's only buy one when you think you need it as they are rather like video cards in regard to how fast they are advancing with current stuff dropping massively in price.

I personally wouldn't buy an HDTV until we get hd content across the board and the HD consols are well entrenched with good games.

[Silversinksam]

He has an army of ducks to help him. Also when it comes to HDTV's only buy one when you think you need it as they are rather like video cards in regard to how fast they are advancing with current stuff dropping massively in price.

At 80k a pop, I can't even afford one :beer:

[BossBorot]

At 80k a pop, I can't even afford one :beer:

I wasnt talking about the 80K tv I was taking about the sceptre that was linked a few posts back.

Shoot if you had 80K you could personally fly to every trolls house and beat them up like in that Jay and Silent Bob movie.

edit: ooo I would much rather have this, it has a resolution of 25,600 x 8,000 running 50 apple 30" displays!

http://cg.calit2.uci.edu/mediawiki/images/2/2c/HIPerWall_teaser1.jpg

Link (http://cg.calit2.uci.edu/mediawiki/index.php/Research_Projects:_HIPerWall)

[d94]

ok - SSS that flashlight looks amazing, i simply must have one LOL
any idea if i can find them under $350?
my man krag, i concur w/SSS but that huge tv..and since it'l require atleast 2 ppl to move, do lmk when your commin to get it SSS ;)

oh, and then we'll need the "little man" to come over and hoot it up
The 103 inch set will go on sale for $80,000 and will require a little man to come around and install it who charges extra.

[Silversinksam]

ok - SSS that flashlight looks amazing, i simply must have one LOL
any idea if i can find them under $350?
my man krag, i concur w/SSS but that huge tv..and since it'l require atleast 2 ppl to move, do lmk when your commin to get it SSS ;)

oh, and then we'll need the "little man" to come over and hoot it up

After I take Krags big tv I'm comin to your house next to steal that Orange pimp chair, the next stop is to a landfill, but knowing you, I will take it to a landfill in Florida, because I know you would come find it at your local landfill :beer: :eek: :beer:

[Audioaficionado]

I was thinking of getting the bigger brother of that 37" for the livingroom/HTPC setup. LCD TVs are getting below my self imposed $2k limit. 1080p is mandatory. Nothing less will do.

The 42" diag 16:9 ~ 36"x22" size is whole lot bigger than my 11 year old 30" 4:3 CRT Toshiba standard set.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112180

[Silversinksam]

I was thinking of getting the bigger brother of that 37" for the livingroom/HTPC setup. LCD TVs are getting below my self imposed $2k limit. 1080p is mandatory. Nothing less will do.

The 42" diag 16:9 ~ 36"x22" size is whole lot bigger than my 11 year old 30" 4:3 CRT Toshiba standard set.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824112180


You might want to hold off just a bit longer (http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34088) ;)

[jivetrky]

How is sceptre for LCD tvs ? Is it worth the price, or is it better to spend a little more for a better name brand?

I mean the specs seem nice. I just wonder if you can see artifacts or anything like that with it. I haven't really looked at panel TVs in a while, but I remember looking a year or so back and found that the displays were kinda icky looking. There was digital blocking and all kinds of stuff. I suppose it could have been whatever they were feeding TVs too though.

[Audioaficionado]

How is sceptre for LCD tvs ? Is it worth the price, or is it better to spend a little more for a better name brand?

I mean the specs seem nice. I just wonder if you can see artifacts or anything like that with it. I haven't really looked at panel TVs in a while, but I remember looking a year or so back and found that the displays were kinda icky looking. There was digital blocking and all kinds of stuff. I suppose it could have been whatever they were feeding TVs too though.I don't know. Your best bet is to go to HDTV showrooms and look at the different models. Sony has some marvelous models but they are sure a lot more than $1900.

I'd agree with SSS and just wait until next year unless that $$$$ is really burning a large hole in you pocket.

[Burdman27911]

Also, you can get the sceptre for $100+ less from Costco. Personally I'm waiting 10 months or so for a HDTV as that will per a good time for me to buy. Hopefully prices will still be low for 1080p 37"ers.

[BossBorot]

IMO sceptre is awesome for the price, and costco makes it even better with their awsome warranty which is something that sceptre is seriously lacking in. However a good price today will be a bad price even 2 months from now at the rate things are going now.

Basically IMO you should get a HDTV when you need it and never look back otherwise you will cry when you look at how much prices have dropped sence you bought your set.

[Douken]

I totally agree. U know, that 37" I posted earlier was $1460 like 3months ago. $1350 now looks more tempting and BTW paying $550 for 5 more inches doesn't own. I'm planing to get that TV next year when I might buy a PS3.

[Audioaficionado]

I totally agree. U know, that 37" I posted earlier was $1460 like 3months ago. $1350 now looks more tempting and BTW paying $550 for 5 more inches doesn't own. I'm planing to get that TV next year when I might buy a PS3.It all depends on how close you are going to sit from that screen. A 37" would just be too small for me sitting across the living room. Now if that 37" screen was on my desktop, it might be too large LOL.

I'd actually like a 60" screen but that would be astronomically expensive for a direct viewing LCD screen. Even a very nice 60" 1080p rear projection screen goes for ~$3k right now.

[SuperFarStucker]

I've seen one of the 30" panels at a LAN I went to recently and it is simply obscene. Anything larger would be unusable. Resolution wise 2560x1600 is simply too high to play any recent game at reasonable settings, even with a monster x1950 cf rig. You can scale it but the best choice for that wold be 1280x800 which will look terrible on a 30" display. I think 20-24 in is the sweet spot for gaming. Just enough to not feel small. Of course, 30" of desktop real estate is godlike. I've got 3 monitors on my desk and that is pretty nice but just one of those, though it provides less real screen real estate, is awesome. Of course the 3 monitors combined cost me less than 500 USD and you're looking at at least 2.5x that for a 30" panel.

[SuperFarStucker]

LCDs don't do interlaced signals, although it may only accept 1080i input and do internal upconverting. But with DVI you should be able to do 1920x1080@60 no problem.

[MadMan007]

I've seen one of the 30" panels at a LAN I went to recently and it is simply obscene. Anything larger would be unusable. Resolution wise 2560x1600 is simply too high ...

This is something I've been wondering wrt LCDs. Say you have two panels, same pixel pitch and other specs, just one is bigger than the other, say a 30" and a 20". Now say you can't run native res on the large screen, so you just run a lower resolution equal to the smaller screen's native size but don't scale it to fit so it remains 1:1 in terms of pixels. Logic leads me conclude that a smaller 1:1 res on the large screen would be the same real size, say measured with a ruler, as the same resolution on the smaller screen because it's the same pixel pitch and same resolution and you'd just have a lot of black area on the larger screen. Is that true?

[Dan0512]

Shush! You scientists think you know everything, well, I just wave my magic wand of inquirer-isity and WALAH! 8ns response time!

Of course, I also just opened up a portal to the Dimension of Pain, but that's beside the point!


Then cast a simple spell, and it has 8ys response time.

dan

[legionaire45]

I have a lovely Benq FP202W, which I believe to be one of the best values for a 20.1'' LCD (I got mine for $299, but now its down to $250 on newegg). and for Oblivion, I just unplug it and plug in my Viewsonic 15", although it has a response time of 30ms:eek:

[jivetrky]

I have a lovely Benq FP202W, which I believe to be one of the best values for a 20.1'' LCD (I got mine for $299, but now its down to $250 on newegg). and for Oblivion, I just unplug it and plug in my Viewsonic 15", although it has a response time of 30ms:eek:


Why would you unplug it to play oblivion? Is it really worth the difference running non-native will give you? I'm usually fairly anal about those things and don't have a problem going from my native down to 1440x900 to play oblivion. Sure it'll look more sharp, but that seems like a pain in the arse. Plus that 30ms panel surely shows some ghosting.

[Neural Net]

Ghosting is more annoying than a slightly blurry picture imo.

[jivetrky]

Agreed