Serious Game CRT?

[TweakGames]

Hi all, looking to upgrade my monintor with my next tower upgrade, what CRT do you recommend for a serious gamer? Thanks.
(under 300$ if you can)

[Ad Rock]

If I were you I would just check out ebay for the off-lease Sony 21" CRT monitors. These monitors were $1100+ brandnew and are usually in great condition off ebay. You can usually get some rebadged Dell's for about $130ish shipped. The best ones to look for are the Dell P1110 and P1130 models.

Do that and you could end up getting 2 really nice high-end monitors for under $300!

[Herr Rogers]

2405fpw!!!!!!!!
EDIT**oh wait...CRT...
sorry everyone I'm on a 2405FPW high.

[b1029384756]

My HP-P1130 caught fire on me, so I'd recommend against those. I was in the same predicament then. I'm using a Viewsonic P225f now, it looks very good, though only does 75Hz@2048x1536. You might want to check into Mitsubishi's, as they seem to have a great reputation for picture quality and reliability and can handle 85Hz. They're all a bit more than $300, though.

[Kevin007]

http://www.azatek.com/details.asp?iid=510

P275!!! Awesome monitor, and it is on sale. It usually is $300 with free shipping :)

[Prodigious]

My HP-P1130 caught fire on me, so I'd recommend against those. I was in the same predicament then. I'm using a Viewsonic P225f now, it looks very good, though only does 75Hz@2048x1536. You might want to check into Mitsubishi's, as they seem to have a great reputation for picture quality and reliability and can handle 85Hz. They're all a bit more than $300, though.
As if being able to do 2048x1538 at 75hz is really bad... :rolleyes:

[-maddog-]

Those things get sweet resolution, I couldn't bow that much though. The thing I like about crts is the great reresh rates. Also the get much better colors than a Lcd.

[b1029384756]

As if being able to do 2048x1538 at 75hz is really bad... :rolleyes:

I never said it was bad, at least not for me, but some people say that they strain their eyes with refresh rates around that level. Most people also don't use 2048x1536 for their desktop or for gaming, but I do for both, and I suspect at least that I'm not the only one. So, that's at least a consideration if you like high resolution and have poor tolerance for less than optimal refresh rates.

Edit: To sum things up, I'd recommend either Mitsubishi DP2070SB and NEC FP2141SB (same monitor basically, different brands). That's what people recommended for me on this forum when my HP p1130 was on its deathbed, and I've since seen the Mitsubishi and wish I'd gone that route, though I'm still quite happy with what I picked (Viewsonic P225f, you might like that also). Unfortunately, it's not an easy decision as quality CRTs are becoming increasing difficult to find, and high-resolution LCDs that offer good quality for gaming are practically non-existant. I'll probably buy another CRT for my next system build in 12-18 months if LCDs haven't improved by then to my standards. Good luck.

[shellshock]

i suggest what keven suggested. Its the only crt that I know of that has DVI for input

[rseven]

Here are a couple of possibilities among many at Accurate.
http://www.accurateit.com/details.asp?iid=175
http://www.accurateit.com/details.asp?iid=520
Good luck with whatever you get.

[Kevin007]

i suggest what keven suggested. Its the only crt that I know of that has DVI for input

It is an awesome monitor, have you ever done 1600x1200 at 180 hz

:D

[Yuriman]

I have the P275 Kevin mentioned... and thats why he wants it. :p

I love this monitor. It too does 2048x1536@75hz. And has DVI. And, to top it off, it does not say Dell on the casing!

[1cem4n]

Mitsubishi 21" Flat Screen CRT. my friend has the 19" one i wanted before i got my l33t 19" LCD.

-1cem4n

[Nick59007]

sony E540 on ebay............nothing compares 2 it unless u have infinite money.......

[9mmCensor]

anyone know where I can get a P275 in CanadA?

[Nick59007]

hey 9mm im assuming u checked ebay?

[9mmCensor]

hey 9mm im assuming u checked ebay?
Nope. I rather circumvent ebay. I like stores.

[shellshock]

It is an awesome monitor, have you ever done 1600x1200 at 180 hz

:D


I dont know, LOL I dont have it. I sugested it because ive heard so many good reviews about it here. lol

[Kevin007]

I have the P275 Kevin mentioned... and thats why he wants it. :p

I love this monitor. It too does 2048x1536@75hz. And has DVI. And, to top it off, it does not say Dell on the casing!

I'm going do to something about that.

[TweakGames]

Does that p275 have those 2 lines that go across the monitor? :0( I used to have one that did that and I wanted to kill myself. Or did they fix the trinitrons?

There isnt any reason to go LCD with all the ghosting and all right?

[-maddog-]

sony E540 on ebay............nothing compares 2 it unless u have infinite money.......

I would surround myself in a sphere of these with my chair supsended in the middle and with a sweet surround sound system. http://viewsonic.com/support/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/proseries/vp2290b/index.htm

fh: 31~105kHz; fv: 50~85Hz
Takes vga x5 and QUXGA-Wide
22"

[brennan77]

There isnt any reason to go LCD with all the ghosting and all right?

I disagree. LCD's are quite the viable option as of late.

[-maddog-]

I disagree. LCD's are quite the viable option as of late.

Lcds are good if you do lan parties, stare at text alot, or need a spacesaver. Crts get better fps, colors, and are well cheaper. I don't have enough space for a crt in my current configuration so I have a lcd.

[Nick59007]

hey 9mm i have the feeling that no store will have them


http://www.monitoroutlet.com/384535.html

ebay might be ur only option

[Kevin007]

Does that p275 have those 2 lines that go across the monitor? :0( I used to have one that did that and I wanted to kill myself. Or did they fix the trinitrons?

There isnt any reason to go LCD with all the ghosting and all right?

it isn't a problem, it is how they are made. It uses an aperture grill, instead of a shadow mask, which is of much better quality. The 2 lines running across it, are caused by this. I am very used to it and don't notice it anymore

:sn:

[TweakGames]

Do u guys think that the price will go down below 200 any time soon?

[hagrid]

I never said it was bad, at least not for me, but some people say that they strain their eyes with refresh rates around that level. Most people also don't use 2048x1536 for their desktop or for gaming, but I do for both, and I suspect at least that I'm not the only one. So, that's at least a consideration if you like high resolution and have poor tolerance for less than optimal refresh rates.

Edit: To sum things up, I'd recommend either Mitsubishi DP2070SB and NEC FP2141SB (same monitor basically, different brands). That's what people recommended for me on this forum when my HP p1130 was on its deathbed, and I've since seen the Mitsubishi and wish I'd gone that route, though I'm still quite happy with what I picked (Viewsonic P225f, you might like that also). Unfortunately, it's not an easy decision as quality CRTs are becoming increasing difficult to find, and high-resolution LCDs that offer good quality for gaming are practically non-existant. I'll probably buy another CRT for my next system build in 12-18 months if LCDs haven't improved by then to my standards. Good luck.
2048x1536? Is that for dual monitors so would be 1024x768 for each monitor?

[KillrBuckeye]

2048x1536? Is that for dual monitors so would be 1024x768 for each monitor?Huh? If you had two monitors side-by-side, each displaying 1024x768, the total resolution would be 2048x768. You don't gain any vertical area with 2 monitors side-by-side. 2048x1536 yields the standard 4:3 aspect ratio and is only suitable for a very large monitor.

[b1029384756]

2048x1536? Is that for dual monitors so would be 1024x768 for each monitor?

What KillrBuckeye said, basically. It's a single monitor. Usually only on 21"/22" CRTs. I've seen it done on some 19" ones but the quality leaves much to be desired, and refresh rates are typically limited to ~60Hz on those. If you have a 21"+ and have a chance try it out, you may not want to go back to anything else. Even 1600x1200 seems way too limiting now.

[TweakGames]

dang the price went up.

[apu318]

Those things get sweet resolution, I couldn't bow that much though. The thing I like about crts is the great reresh rates. Also the get much better colors than a Lcd.

Uh... LCDs have much better image quality (at the right resolution) and the colours are much brighter and crisper.

[KillrBuckeye]

Uh... LCDs have much better image quality (at the right resolution) and the colours are much brighter and crisper.That's true, but I think he's referring to the color resolution (number of colors that can be displayed). LCD monitors have to compromise between response time and color resolution (can't have great response time AND great color resolution), while CRTs do not have this disadvantage. For people who do a lot of visual artwork on their computers, the color resolution is extremely important. Thus, CRT monitors are often preferable for this purpose.

[twEEkerAreUs]

That's true, but I think he's referring to the color resolution (number of colors that can be displayed). LCD monitors have to compromise between response time and color resolution (can't have great response time AND great color resolution), while CRTs do not have this disadvantage. For people who do a lot of visual artwork on their computers, the color resolution is extremely important. Thus, CRT monitors are often preferable for this purpose.

Bingo, although LCD's now a days are very impressive.

Hi all, looking to upgrade my monintor with my next tower upgrade, what CRT do you recommend for a serious gamer? Thanks.
(under 300$ if you can)

I have a 21in Dell P1110 CRT *SONY TRINITRON TUBE* I believe, got it off of eBay for $115 roughly and $40 for shipping? Quite the steal in my opinion, I don't think I can go smaller then a 19in monitor anymore Lol.

My HP-P1130 caught fire on me, so I'd recommend against those. I was in the same predicament then. I'm using a Viewsonic P225f now, it looks very good, though only does 75Hz@2048x1536. You might want to check into Mitsubishi's, as they seem to have a great reputation for picture quality and reliability and can handle 85Hz. They're all a bit more than $300, though.

Catching on fire is never a good thing weird, I have a P1110. It's all about the refresh I agree, 75Hz = Eye Strain galore for me. Heck even high res 85Hz is bare minimum for me, I love 100Hz though. Also what's the deal with your user name? Very weird string of numbers there heh.

[b1029384756]

Catching on fire is never a good thing weird, I have a P1110. It's all about the refresh I agree, 75Hz = Eye Strain galore for me. Heck even high res 85Hz is bare minimum for me, I love 100Hz though. Also what's the deal with your user name? Very weird string of numbers there heh.


Well, mine might have been an isolated incident. It was the power supply within the monitor. Take anecdotal evidence for what it's worth. 85Hz is about the best you'll find for 2048x1536, some of the Mitsubishis/NECs and Sonys can do it. For my user name, you'll probably notice a pattern if you think about it for a minute.

[Wood Shop]

I picked up a Sony P275 from the link above and have a few questions about it.

I can't seem to get the DVI link to work, the 15pin D-sub seems to work fine. Would using the DVI be better? If so, any ideas on getting it working (I am using a 7800 GTX vid card).

Also, text in the upper left corner of the monitor is a bit fuzzy, any way to adjust it?

Lastly, anyone got a link to some monitor calibration software so I can set this baby up right?

Thanks

[Yuriman]

To switch to DVI, there is a switch on the front of the monitor, labeled "1 2". 2= DVI.

As for the text, does it happen at all resolutions/refresh rates? Thats very odd, you might have to have them replace it.

Calibration software: Google "monitor calibration" or something to that extent, you shouldn't have any problem finding a bunch of black bars with which you can tune your screen.

[Wood Shop]

Yeah, I tried setting the switch to the 2 posistion and the monitor says that there is no signal (I purchased a DVI cable from the same place as I got the monitor--the link above). I have tried both of the DVI connectors of my vid card as well.

The text problem I am having is actually different than I first discribed. It appears that some text is blury and other text is nice and clear. Example--the text of these forum posts is perfectly clear (anywhere on the screen), but the text of Internet Explorer (i.e. the links in my favorites list and tool bar) are blury. <-- Is there a Windows font setting that will help with this?

I have not tried any other resolutions or refresh rates for desk top other than 1600x1200 @85Hz. I did try BF2 at 1280x960@85 and it looked beautiful. What is the max refresh rate for this monitor at 1600x1200?

Thanks for your help.

[darkside1016]

Hi all, looking to upgrade my monintor with my next tower upgrade, what CRT do you recommend for a serious gamer? Thanks.
(under 300$ if you can)

Any Trinitron rated 19"+ monitor will do you fine.
I've got a sony 21" Trinitron, bought it refurbed for $160.
It had one line of dead pixels going across,
which you cannot see at all unless you go cross-eyed,
then stare at it long enough while being 3" away from the cold hard glass. :)

[KillrBuckeye]

Yeah, I tried setting the switch to the 2 posistion and the monitor says that there is no signal (I purchased a DVI cable from the same place as I got the monitor--the link above). I have tried both of the DVI connectors of my vid card as well.

The text problem I am having is actually different than I first discribed. It appears that some text is blury and other text is nice and clear. Example--the text of these forum posts is perfectly clear (anywhere on the screen), but the text of Internet Explorer (i.e. the links in my favorites list and tool bar) are blury. <-- Is there a Windows font setting that will help with this?

I have not tried any other resolutions or refresh rates for desk top other than 1600x1200 @85Hz. I did try BF2 at 1280x960@85 and it looked beautiful. What is the max refresh rate for this monitor at 1600x1200?

Thanks for your help.Regarding the DVI input: Did you try going into your display properties in Windows and checking if there is a DVI out option somewhere? I remember doing something like this for my stepfather-in-law's computer when I set up his Dell 2005FPW. You have to tell your video driver to output via the DVI. Otherwise, it will only go through the VGA by default (I think).

About the blurry text in the corners of your new CRT, I think it is normal. When I first got my Mitsubishi Diamond Pro 920, the blurry text in the corners was driving me nuts!!! I tried every possible adjustment, but it just wouldn't sharpen up. I finally just got accustomed to it, and I don't even notice it any more (believe it or not, you will rarely be reading a lot of text in the corners). Take a look at some other big CRTs if you get the chance. I think you will find that blurry text in the corners is common to all big CRT monitors. Heck, I'm using an HP p1230 (22" CRT) here at work, and the text in the corners is very blurry compared to text near the center of the screen.

[Yuriman]

My PC boots up just fine with DVI, havn't used VGA yet.

Also, I don't have any blurry text in the corners.

[KillrBuckeye]

My PC boots up just fine with DVI, havn't used VGA yet.

Also, I don't have any blurry text in the corners.The problem is that everyone will have a different tolerance for blurriness. The blurry text that I experience in the corners of my monitor is still very readable. It's just that the text displayed near the center of the monitor appears more "crisp". When I first got my monitor, I expected that the text in the corners would look just as good as the text in the center. However, I haven't found that to be the case with any CRT monitors 19" or larger.

[G-smooth2k]

NEC
MultiSync FE992 msrp $219.99 USD
MultiSync FE992-BK (Black) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824002280) msrp $219.99 USD
Check ebay or some other online store for the item below
MultiSync FE2111SB (http://www.necdisplay.com/products/ProductDetail.cfm?Product=215) FE2111SB-BK (Black) (http://www.necdisplay.com/products/ProductDetail.cfm?Product=216)
Viewsonic
G90F (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116199) or G90FB (Black) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116282)
E90f (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116280) or E90f+SB (Silver-Black) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116201)
E90FB (Black) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116281)

[ShadowClock59]

NEC
MultiSync FE992 msrp $219.99 USD
MultiSync FE992-BK (Black) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824002280) msrp $219.99 USD
Check ebay or some other online store for the item below
MultiSync FE2111SB (http://www.necdisplay.com/products/ProductDetail.cfm?Product=215) FE2111SB-BK (Black) (http://www.necdisplay.com/products/ProductDetail.cfm?Product=216)
Viewsonic
G90F (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116199) or G90FB (Black) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116282)
E90f (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116280) or E90f+SB (Silver-Black) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116201)
E90FB (Black) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824116281)


Thats a good selection of monitors. Low price big sight, but I dont see DVI, kinda been wanting to see a cheap native DVI CRT monitor, but the cheap part probably wont happen (cheap as in below $400, not this "cheap" $600 LCD stuff).

[TweakGames]

Hi guys, is there any reason to use a dvi cable if its dvi-a? The monitor only supports dvi-a, and thats analog.

[wingman99]

http://www.azatek.com/details.asp?iid=510

P275!!! Awesome monitor, and it is on sale. It usually is $300 with free shipping :)

What should i get for a monitor i hate the new LCD there not good enough for me i love the look of sweet graphics and gaming.

I have a ev910 and it's perfect except for it has become to dark in gaming. like doom 3, F.E.A.R and UT2004

How can i tell if ev910 is Shadow Mask. because it has the best graphics that I have ever seen yet.

Also the text is great center and edge i don't want to loos that.

[darkknight187]

That's true, but I think he's referring to the color resolution (number of colors that can be displayed). LCD monitors have to compromise between response time and color resolution (can't have great response time AND great color resolution), while CRTs do not have this disadvantage. For people who do a lot of visual artwork on their computers, the color resolution is extremely important. Thus, CRT monitors are often preferable for this purpose.

I'd like to disagree. with being at school for the digital arts i have been told and seen examples, theres no point to have an extremely great quality monitor in terms of color in this field....you won't take your monitor with you to show the work to a client..therefor chances are your work won't end up looking the same on the next monitor it's displayed on.....we had this happen with multiple class projects....

[Max0r]

You know in all my years of skill whoring in games, especially FPS games, I've found that as long as the monitor works and gets bright enough, it makes almost no difference if its a 13 incher I found in the alley or a nice 20 incher. Actually I'd stay away from a huge one unless you can sit really far back, because not being able to have a good overview of the entire screen really hurts your game. You will die more :) But a huge monitor is definately more fun for that whole environmental immersion thing, which is great too.

[KillrBuckeye]

I'd like to disagree. with being at school for the digital arts i have been told and seen examples, theres no point to have an extremely great quality monitor in terms of color in this field....you won't take your monitor with you to show the work to a client..therefor chances are your work won't end up looking the same on the next monitor it's displayed on.....we had this happen with multiple class projects....You make a good point. I'm not a graphical artist, so I only posted what I hear from others. I know several people who do professional graphics, and some of these people have told me that they still prefer to do this type of work on CRTs. Some of them have both LCD and CRT displays, but only use the LCDs for non-graphics work.