Would 12ms to 4ms make a difference with blurring?

[Fighter2a]

I have a 2005fpw but I get blurring that I really dont' like. When I fly jets in BF2 I almost get a headache. If I buy a faster monitor like the 930BF LINK HERE (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824001064) Will the blurring go away? Whats weird though is that in FEAR I don't notice the blurring,maybe b/c it's slower pace, but it's bad in BF2. Also I can't run any of my games on high anymore on 1680x1050 so I turn it down which actually works good on the 2005fpw but I wouldn't have to on the 930BF. I kind of want to keep the 2005FPW but in the long run is it going to be good for gaming with the 12ms? The 930BF wouldn't be wide screen but it would be a lot faster and it might get rid of the blurring.

[TheGreySpectre]

I have gamed on 16ms and 8ms, The only difference I noticed between the 16 and the 12 was in UT2k4, which was a tiny blurry, I currently have an 8ms and I don't notice any blurring at all in the 8ms on anything. I would see if you can try some different panels to see if you can tell the difference between an 8ms a 4ms and a 12ms.

Ill be able to give you a better up date in a couple days when my 2005 fpw arrives, it just shipped today

[rseven]

I bought a 12ms screen for my second rig, but it will not work with fast motion at all as it's one big blur. It's a good quality Samsung monitor, but 12ms, does not cut it. I use a CRT for flight sims and fast moving action. (Not that I'm any big gamer, but heck, a guy has to have some fun.:)) I have read that 4ms will do the trick, but I have know way of knowing if that is true or not so, I to would like to know should I ever give up the CRT.

[Fighter2a]

I'm interested to see if TheGreySpectre can tell the difference between 12ms and 8ms.

[TheGreySpectre]

Yes my 2005 FPW came and I have gamed on it quit a bit, I personally cant tell a differnce, but thats just me, I can't tell the difference between my LCDs and my old CRT blurring wise, the only difference to me is that colors are brighter on my LCDs

I havent tried UT2k4 yet which seems to be the game its easiest to tell on but, to me I cant see a difference

I can see a difference between 16 seconds and 12 second, 16 second seems blurry to me in high speed games, but I dont notice any blurrying at 12 seconds

Games I have played include farcry, and Counterstrike but probably Colin Mcrae Rally 5 demo is the fastest i have tried

I am running in DVI

I would guess it is largly user dependant, I would see if you can get a demo of an 8ms and 4ms one playing games with you doing the playing before I bought one if I were you


just technicly speaking the jump from 12ms to 4ms is the same as the jump from 20ms to 12ms, and I can DEFINATLY tell a differnce between a 20ms and an 8ms, its also the same as the jump between a 16ms and 8ms, which I can also tell


I have yet to play BF2 on my 2005fpw but I played quite a bit of BF2 on my 8ms L90D+ and I personally noticed no blurring at all, thats just me though

hope this is some help :)

[Fighter2a]

Thanks for updating. When the best buy down the street opens up I'll go test a 4ms and 8ms monitor by dragging windows around fast and such.

[rseven]

Yes, thanks for the update, TheGreySpectre.

[Fighter2a]

I went to best buy and tested the 930BF a 4ms lcd to a 8ms lcd and they were both blurry for me just dragging windows around and stuff. They were noticeably better then the 12ms one though.

[rseven]

I feared as much. I will hang on to my trusty CRT.

[Mooyo]

You have to keep in mind those monitors are on more than 12 hours a day for years at a time. And they are all (at least 20 in my store) hooked up to one machine as well.

Two of the Samsung 930Bs have been bought in my family and neither perform ANYTHING like the ones at the Best Buy I work at.

[Phantronius]

Learn to know the Dark Side of the force..........


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[rseven]

Do you mean learn the red side of a credit card?:)

[doublejack]

For me, the cutoff seems about 8ms. Slower than that and I can see ghosting / blurring in games and even some speed related artifacts in movies. But anything 8ms or faster is pretty smooth to me.

[sandrock]

Lower response time is going to mean less blurring, thats obvious. Like its been said though, its user dependent. Another thing to keep in mind, with a lot of sub 12ms LCD's, the manufacturers are only using 6-bit panels to reduce the response time. This mean less colors and DVD movies (I've heard) can look bad.

[tom10167]

I've noticed NO blurring on my 930B, EVER, and I play UT2004. The picture quality is only better in gaming, certainly not worse.

[Phantronius]

I've noticed NO blurring on my 930B, EVER, and I play UT2004. The picture quality is only better in gaming, certainly not worse.

The samsung 930b or the Viewsonic VP930b? Technically, the VP930b is a superior panel not only due to the 8bit nature but also the higher contrast ratio. Hell, the samsung doesn't even give you a damn DVI cable! :shrug:

[Mooyo]

I was a little mad when I didn't get a DVI cable, but they're cheap anyway so it really doesn't matter that much.

[microfire]

If playing online it would be only logical to add your LCD respond time ms to your ping ms. Thus the higher the responds time, the more of a disadvantage your at. Right?

[doublejack]

If playing online it would be only logical to add your LCD respond time ms to your ping ms. Thus the higher the responds time, the more of a disadvantage your at. Right?

No, I wouldn't draw that conclusion. Ping time is far more critical than an LCD's response time when it comes to affecting hit calculations. The worst that a slow LCD's can do is render a game difficult to play because you get very blurry images. But it's user dependant on whether that's a problem or not, if you can live with the blurr your play shouldn't be affected. Further, if an 8ms LCD has no blurr then a 2ms panel isn't going to be an advantage at all.

[Wiggles]

I went to best buy and tested the 930BF a 4ms lcd to a 8ms lcd and they were both blurry for me just dragging windows around and stuff. They were noticeably better then the 12ms one though.

I can't really tell the difference myself. Of course, my current dell 17" lcd (20ms I think) doesn't get blurry when I play any of the games I can play (400MHz bottleneck) at native resolution.

Maybe you need more onboard sound :shrug: :p

[austinbmxnig]

i have a 915n and it has an 8ms response time, but i honestly think i would get a 2ms if it was really sweet over this, i've seen prettier, and i think im starting to not enjoy looking at my games

[deception``]

If playing online it would be only logical to add your LCD respond time ms to your ping ms. Thus the higher the responds time, the more of a disadvantage your at. Right?

There are many other factors to consider besides response time, though it is important to some extent. Also, try to keep in mind that a manufacturer's claim of response times can be misleading. For example, Viewsonic markets their VX924's at 3ms (originally 4ms), but in reality the overall response time of their panel is much higher.

Generally speaking, it is beneficial to gather some subjective as well as objective insight on the qualities of a given panel.

deception``

[germanjulian]

buy and LCD and a CRT... simple! it works like a charm :)

[Bios24]

Would using a standard d-sub vs DVI connection make a difference?

Would using a resolution other than native make a difference?

I run all my games at the 2005fpw's native resolution and use DVI and they all look fantastic. When I started I was using different resolutions, but there is a noticable difference when I'm using the native resolution. The picture quality is much better. I'll often turn the quality down just to run at the native resolution.

[tom10167]

You should always run at native resolution, like you said.


DVI cables are worthless, Samsung is smart for not including them, it'd be like throwing lumps of coal in.

And yes, I was talking about the 930B, which is what he was talking about.

[wa77ss]

I have a LCD that I got for christmas, I never really cheked any of the specs out on it, how can I figure out what response time it has on it ?

BTW its a MAG 17" LCD.....Ahh I play games and I dont see any blurring so I guess its anywhere between 8ms and down ?