Dead Pixels Are Ridiculous [Archive]

Unreal89

02-25-05, 01:45 PM

Is it me, or should ANY dead pixels be considered a defect. It is not fair that a person pays hundreds of dollars for a product with a chance of it being defective. Sure, you may get used to it, but come on, what the hell kind of BS is it to give people defective products and charge them 300 or more dollars. I think this is ridiculous.

PS: Are there any manufactures or retailers that guarantee no dead pixels. I want to buy an LCD, but not ones w/ dead pixels.

obsolete

02-25-05, 01:56 PM

I agree, but I know some manufacturers cover dead pixels up to a certain point. I can't remember the exact info behind it, but I to would want ZERO dead pixels. Thats why I prefer my CRT monitor & it looks absolutely wonderful.

RideGuy

02-25-05, 01:58 PM

I think the industry standard is 6 pixels black, or 3 pixels stuck on a color are considered defective, and would be covered under warrenty. However there are some exeptions. Some of the Philips LCDs have a 3-year "zero dead pixel" warrenty.

RideGuy

bchur83

02-25-05, 02:09 PM

I heard somewhere that Samsung was going to start a No Dead Pixel policy, that covered purchases from back in like Aug of last year. I cant remember where I saw it, but I will see if I can dig it back up.

Unreal89

02-25-05, 02:12 PM

I don't know how to exactly word this question but... Why do dead pixels occur. And why can't they prevent them. I mean, I'd rether pay $20 extra for a garanteed no dead pixel LCD.

jbloudg20

02-25-05, 02:29 PM

Samsung is starting a no dead pixels policy as of January 1st, 2005. However, it only applies to a new monitor purchased after this date.

L337 M33P

02-25-05, 03:04 PM

I don't know how to exactly word this question but... Why do dead pixels occur. And why can't they prevent them. I mean, I'd rether pay $20 extra for a garanteed no dead pixel LCD.

Dead/stuck/black pixels are random defects of either the very thin vapour-deposited electrical contacts or of the transistors themselves - good manufacturers usually test the displays before shipping for dead pixels, but I think they may let ones with 1 dead one or less through. No dead pixels would be an excellent idea though - I have a semi-stuck green one on my monitor (refuses to go to black fully) and it's annoying :-/

NinjaWreck

02-25-05, 03:05 PM

I agree. I was just thinking about how I wanted a LCD yesterday, and this was the only reason I haven't bought one yet. I have no tolerance for defective merchandise, and dead pixels are no exception.

Tup

02-25-05, 03:10 PM

Why not buy from one of those big box stores that have a nice 30 day return warranty. That's what I did...and I got lucky...no dead pixels. I'm keeping it on pretty much all the time to make sure none develop within the 30 day period.

aaronrkelly

02-25-05, 03:11 PM

NinjaWreck

02-25-05, 03:16 PM

I payed quite a few bucks for my pair of 17" LCDs. One is prefect and one has a stuck red pixel. I dont see how you can let a single pixel bother you. There are ALOT of pixels in an LCD monitor and its would be very difficult to quaranty no dead pixels. It would drive the manufacturing costs WAY up on an LCD. You guys can pay a hundred extra dollars or so for your no dead pixel LCDs, I will take my single bad pixel and get over it......

Or stay with CRT's until they have something with no dead pixels.

RideGuy

02-25-05, 04:22 PM

Samsung is starting a no dead pixels policy as of January 1st, 2005. However, it only applies to a new monitor purchased after this date.

According to Slashdot, this policy is only going to be in South Korea by Jan 1st.

RideGuy

Krowa 02

02-26-05, 02:12 PM

I have a dead (stuck) pixel on my laptop and it really isnt bothering me to much after a week of usage. I still dont know if im gonna keep this thing though but for now im getting used to it.

rseven

02-27-05, 12:05 AM

For whatever it's worth I have purchased 3 lcd's over the internet, 2 sony's and 1 Samsung, and I have no dead pixals. Maybe I'm very lucky, I don't know. Can you imagine buying a new car with a few dents? Somehow, the high tech industry gets away with selling a lot of flawed products. I believe the climate for consumers is getting worse as the technolgy gets better. Okay, that's my two cents.

Ebola

02-27-05, 12:24 AM

CPUonNO2

02-27-05, 12:34 AM

Are dead pixels a manufacturing defect, or can they happen at any moment?

rseven

02-27-05, 12:37 AM

your lucky. About half of the dell lcds (~25) we have at work now currently have defective pixels and I've sent back 5 for major defects. I've also had 3 bad screens on my dell lappy. you are very lucky
Well, I wish I had that kind of luck in Vegas! I will now be frightened to buy another one less my luck runs out.

Ebola

02-27-05, 07:13 PM

You have to remember dell buys the absolute cheapest parts for its branded lcds. You could open three monitors up and find three different screen manufacturers. Its the same way for their laptops.

Dead pixels usually oocur during production, not assembly. Higher res screens are supposed to have better yeilds buts thats not always the case. I ordered two viewsonic lcds from newegg and one had a dead pixel so its a universal problem.

Paul1

02-27-05, 08:12 PM

Yea I was somewhat concerned when I bought a flat panel from newegg but it arrived with no dead pixels. Newegg has an 8 or more dead pixel replacement policy, but if you go out to a store and buy a flat panel with dead pixels you can exchange it without a problem (I think).

jbloudg20

02-27-05, 09:02 PM

According to Slashdot, this policy is only going to be in South Korea by Jan 1st.

RideGuy

You are correct, I apologize for my error.

JTanczos

02-28-05, 12:12 AM

Dead pixels dont bother me on my brothers laptop. Lil black dots on the screen isnt THAT big a deal. I have seen a stuck/colored pixel tho and it annoyed me to no end. My eyes kept getting drawn to that one location while watching any movie related media on it.

I will stay away from LCDs for the time being.

JT

Foxie3a

02-28-05, 12:28 AM

I didn't know that this was that big of a problem, I also didn't know that there were people who still had CRTs.

My Compaq Presario 700 has two dying pixels. It's like every once and a while they'll be a lighter shade of whatever color it's trying to show, but it'll go away randomly, or if I restart. It would normally bother me, but it's not that bad. If I spent a lot on a new monitor and it was like that, I would be ****ed off and demand a refund, but I paid almost nothing for this one and it's not that big of a deal.

I have an Envision flat screen CRT. I run it at 120hz. It looks very nice, and is nicer than my LCD on my laptop, and the 17 inch LCD on my dad's Sager. Actually, my Presario's is a lot better than my dad's, even though his is a lot newer, going to 17 inch widescreen on an LCD must have lowered the quality a lot. You can see each pixel very easily on his.

Ebola, you said Dell uses the cheapest LCD's they can find for their laptops. I was under the impression that Dell was overall higher quality than compaq and the other mainstream laptop vendors. I was even planning on building a Dell Centrino based laptop, to be my laptop for years to come.

rseven

02-28-05, 12:41 AM

Foxie there are people who still use crt"s. We have four systems and every one has an lcd except mine. I use a Samsung 19 inch CRT because it is still the best thing for gaming. While that's not the primary use for my rig I do enjoy it and therefore won't switch any time soon.

TimoneX

02-28-05, 01:03 AM

I've got 5 rigs in my home office and the only LCD I've ever bought is on my laptop. My main rig has 2x21" CRTs.

Yes they do take up the whole desk. :)

autoMATTic

03-03-05, 12:08 PM

I didn't know that this was that big of a problem, I also didn't know that there were people who still had CRTs.

Your joking right? Most ppl I know use CRT's, including me. I plan on buying a second Samsung 17 in CRT for dual monitor setup. Why no LCD? When the image quality/features match or excel a CRT and the price goes down then I might consider one. I like to upgrade, not downgrade.

I was even planning on building a Dell Centrino based laptop, to be my laptop for years to come.
Dude your getting a Dell. :p

JTanczos

03-03-05, 12:29 PM

I use CRTs. Mom and dad use CRTs. Brothers use CRTs. Most friends use CRTs. When they ask about flat panel displays I often tell them that if they NEED one they should probably just pay the extra money and have a local store test it out before they buy it. Otherwise just but a CRT.

JT

Pheaton

03-03-05, 02:45 PM

I've had 2 different LCDs so far, and none had a single dead pixel.

I also have a 5 year old (333mhz) Dell laptop. The screen was fine up till a couple months ago. Then a huge green line that is 1 pixel wide and goes half way up the screen showed up. I guess it's too late for warranty repair. :p

diehrd

03-03-05, 02:49 PM

I use ViewSonic moniters exclusivly,and I have had this 19 inch LCD for a year and a half and there are zero dead pixles on it.I think buying a LCD that is a great "deal" might not be the best decision sometimes..(Not saying the topic starter biught a great deal just making a point)

Kendan

03-03-05, 03:01 PM

Simple solution is to go to a retail store and test it at the store for dead pixels;)

Ebola

03-03-05, 03:23 PM

I find the pixels that are stuck on red the worst by far. Dell is the new emachines. Watch out.

diehrd

03-03-05, 03:49 PM

I would love to see a dead pixel now that I think aboput it..What are ya looking at to notice the dead pixle ? Is there a paticular screen image ya use or is it that obvious ?

willkill1337

03-03-05, 03:57 PM

I have a CRT with a few dead pixels... mind you it is a 17" 6 year old one I picked up as it was being thrown out of the school my mum works at. They are black ones and are barely noticable.

Oh and "I don't know people still have CRTs." ermmm all of my friends have CRTs except those who refer to them as "flat screen monitors" and ermm "whoa your comp is the best, it has a flat screen monitor...." if you get my drift...

deathman20

03-03-05, 04:51 PM

willkill1337

03-03-05, 05:45 PM

They can't?!? I seem to have a small pattern of dots somewhere thats black. Its not the VGA adaptor as I used the onboard video before my 9700p and they were there then. Truly weird then...

Vexx

03-03-05, 06:27 PM

I payed quite a few bucks for my pair of 17" LCDs. One is prefect and one has a stuck red pixel. I dont see how you can let a single pixel bother you. There are ALOT of pixels in an LCD monitor and its would be very difficult to quaranty no dead pixels. It would drive the manufacturing costs WAY up on an LCD. You guys can pay a hundred extra dollars or so for your no dead pixel LCDs, I will take my single bad pixel and get over it......

well when its RIGHT smack in the middle of the screen...
and thats where your view point is... and theres this bright blue dot there...
that bothers me :( and theres a red one right above it

pestul

03-06-05, 02:51 PM

Yeah.. I brought back a new BenQ 17" LCD (12ms) in favor of a trusty (but f'ing huge) Viewsonic 19" monitor. Saved $50 too. The LCD had two lit pixels near the center of the screen. One was an annoying red and the other was light greyish. Not only was that completely unacceptable.. but I also didn't realize LCDs performed horrendously out of native resolution. I even read online that the new BenQs were supposed to be the front runners in good quality 'out of native' resolution. To my dismay, this is not the case.

LCDs just aren't for real gamers.. but God, at the native 1280x1024, it is the most superb picture I have ever seen.

I'm going to wait for the technology to mature/evolve even further I think. :/

Niku-Sama

03-06-05, 03:16 PM

O-LED displays should be much better/cheaper, unless they stick the "NEW TECHNOLOGY" tag on it and gouge every once....lots of new technology gets killed like that...

how was the ghosting on that ben-q any way?

Foxie3a

03-06-05, 05:43 PM

I thought that the horrible look out of my laptop's native resolution was just Compaq's fault on my specific laptop. It's always set at 1024x768, I tried 800x600 and it was so horrible, couldn't even use it.

I do admit though that LCDs do look pretty if they are sitting still. Even my laptop looks pretty nice. My CRT clearly beats it though, I have the brightness all the way up and I'm at 120hz, there is no flicker and it's bright and crisp. And of course no "ghosting". :)

soundfx4

03-07-05, 01:47 PM

I thought I should point out a few things that I learned after reading the article at howstuffworks.com on LCD technology.

Dead pixels may be ridiculous, but they practically can't be helped. From what I read on howstuff works a dead pixel is the effect of a bad transistor on the matrix grid, and there are millions of transistors, so the chances of a few being bad are very great. For example, my 1920 x 1200 Active matrix lcd screen has 1,920 X 1,200 x 3 (Red, blue, and Green) = 6,912,000 transistors on my screen. I have about 11 dead pixels on my monitor, and no doubt several of the displays don't even make it past the inspecition. Here is the link it will clarify things to those that don't understand what I'm saying.

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/lcd.htm

According to the article, LCD manufactures reject about 40% of the displays manufactured due to bad pixels. Unfortunitly it can't be helped until a newer technology (OLED) is on the market. Anyway hope this helps you see the light on LCD technology, and why dead pixels exist.

Foxie3a

03-07-05, 06:08 PM

And do you know how many trasnsistors are in modern processors? Didn't the northwood have 50 million and the prescott 100 million?

Why can they make stuff without dead transistors? I mean I know that they do reject a lot of processors, but I wouldn't think they'd reject 40%, and it's not like they can downgrade all of the ones with flaws, only some if they fit the criteria.

TheGreySpectre

03-08-05, 02:41 AM

I have seen 9 lcd monitors and only 1 dead pixel

falcon northwest computer warrentees there laptop lcds against dead pixels, but there laptops also cost 3000

ozziegn

03-08-05, 11:10 PM

I just recieved my Dell 2405FP and I am soooo happy that it came with ZERO dead pixels.

too bad I couldnt say the same about my 2001FP. Jesus, I had to go through FOUR monitors before I could finally find a "keeper" that only had one dead pixel which was very hard to see and only in a black colored screen.

crash013

03-08-05, 11:12 PM

When you go to a Best Buy or Future Shop, do they let you test the monitor before you buy it?

deathman20

03-08-05, 11:24 PM

When you go to a Best Buy or Future Shop, do they let you test the monitor before you buy it?

If its on display at Best Buy yes sure you can test it. Otherwise as soon as you open it BB drops the value on the box 15% due to it being an opened product then. So I highly doubt they will let you open a brand new box to test it out prior to buying it.

damarble

03-08-05, 11:53 PM

My Dell laptop had 3 clusters (3-5mm dia.) of "dead" pixels before. Right in the center in a triangle ~3-4cm apart. They were not completely dead, but they showed colors lighter than they were supposed to. Looked horrible when dark gfx were displayed. But it was replaced under warranty so I am happy with the new screen. Except once in a while a get a single green pixel that goes away after a reboot.

9mmCensor

03-08-05, 11:59 PM

I find the pixels that are stuck on red the worst by far. Dell is the new emachines. Watch out.
yeah red is bad. esp. on black.

soundfx4

03-10-05, 08:48 PM

Elephanthead

03-10-05, 09:57 PM

Dell competes on price not quality. Do you think they have some sort of fairy dust that allows them to sell at the lowest price? They have the lowest price because they buy the cheapest parts.

deathman20

03-10-05, 11:05 PM

Dell competes on price not quality. Do you think they have some sort of fairy dust that allows them to sell at the lowest price? They have the lowest price because they buy the cheapest parts.

Cheapest parts, but the key is buying in huge quantities.

SolidxSnake

03-11-05, 04:14 PM

man, ionno what happened to my brothers monitor... can you get dead pixels after you buy an lcd?? on my brothers hp laptop, its got this like... band of dead pixels on the bottom-left (maybe dead pixels)... its in like a perfectly symettrical "handle" pattern... its really annoying to me

diggingforgold

03-11-05, 04:58 PM

I have no tolerance for defective merchandise, and dead pixels are no exception.

Same here. The idea that customers would allow the manufacturors to sell them defective merchandise (and pay top dollar for it) without causing an uproar is perplexing to me.

Albaholic

03-17-05, 01:36 PM

man this thread is making me feel uneasy about my first LCD purchase (Dell 2405FPW) ordered yesterday

deathman20

03-17-05, 01:39 PM

man this thread is making me feel uneasy about my first LCD purchase (Dell 2405FPW) ordered yesterday

All reports of that monitor though have 0 dead pixels (that I've seen), and no backlighting issues though, so all should be good.

Oh ya if you don't like it I'll pay for the shipping to send it to me :D

Albaholic

03-17-05, 02:10 PM

All reports of that monitor though have 0 dead pixels (that I've seen), and no backlighting issues though, so all should be good.

Oh ya if you don't like it I'll pay for the shipping to send it to me :D
heh yeah... I'll be sure to do that... ummm no. I stayed up all last night cleaning off my desk to make room for this monster, now if only I bought a second one for dual display :santa: i just hope my 9800pro will be up to snuff... I cant afford to upgrade to PCIe for quite some time (for obvious reasons)

Skulemate

03-18-05, 03:08 AM

Just thought I'd weigh in on Samsung's policies. I recently bought a new Samsung 19" LCD display, and they do offer a "Zero Bright Dot Warrenty" for some of their high end models (though there can still be up to seven dark dots for a 19" panel). Needless to say I was delighted to find that little piece of paper upon opening the box. :D

thenerd

03-19-05, 07:05 PM

smart people like us buy lcds from non-online retailers with full return policies

Skulemate

03-19-05, 07:14 PM

smart people like us buy lcds from non-online retailers with full return policies
Be sure to ask about these policies though... some stores will have different standards for LCD returns.

MLMIB

03-19-05, 07:23 PM

If its on display at Best Buy yes sure you can test it. Otherwise as soon as you open it BB drops the value on the box 15% due to it being an opened product then. So I highly doubt they will let you open a brand new box to test it out prior to buying it.
BBY considers defective pixels a defect, aka you can return/exchange it for no charge, just so u guys know. I used to be a tech there 'n had to check returns 'n all.

Albaholic

03-19-05, 07:23 PM

i have to say, for the short amount ive used my dell 24" im very happy...not a single dead or stuck pixel and 1900x1200 res gives so much space to work with... my only complaint is my wallpapers dont fit nicely... which isnt a major concern

gt24

03-20-05, 01:44 AM

I only have CRTs... and I'm lucky that my two LCD purchases have been defect free...

I'm speaking of my handheld computers, my pocket pc devices. You think a handful of pixels are annoying... try it on a 320x240 pixel screen that is only 3.5 inches! The pixels are much larger than on a desktop LCD and the screen is extremely tiny, making every pixel count. Yet, the dead pixel allowance is kinda high for these devices too, I think 3 dead pixels is considered ok... but not in my book!

Luckly, I haven't had issues... yet...

As for defective LCDs... if I could see the pixel damage, and get the LCD for 50% off or more... I might not mind... otherwise I demand perfection!! :)

Albaholic

03-20-05, 07:53 AM

As for defective LCDs... if I could see the pixel damage, and get the LCD for 50% off or more... I might not mind... otherwise I demand perfection!! :)
If only that really happend, I wouldnt mind either

BulldogMcC

03-20-05, 07:02 PM

Sure, I find this thread and test my 2001 for dead pixels and find one I have not noticed in 6 months of use. Lower left hand corner right at the corner of the first shortcut in my quick cut menu. Now I see it all time ;)

Checked my new Samsung SyncMaster 710N and not a single one.

I am actually very pleased and the one dead pixel on the dell is only noticible because I look for it.

firebat45

03-20-05, 10:12 PM

just so everybody knows, ncix.com offers a 30 day no dead pixel on every single monitor they sell, for only 20 or so dollars canadian. This lets you buy a monitor for cheap off the net, then when you get it, if it has any bad pixels, RMA it. Might take a while if you get unlucky (i haven't), but you get interent prices with a pixel gaurantee, plus is is for every brand. Seems like a good deal.

TimoneX

03-20-05, 10:14 PM

Seems lame to pay extra to guarantee a defect free brand new product, but it's better than many companies offer.

gt24

03-28-05, 10:45 AM

Sony PSPs have came out, this being a new handheld with a brilliant LCD screen. However, many people who got the new devices have claimed to have stuck or blown pixels... on the order of 2 - 6... a few people however claimed flawless screens. Still, this isn't too surprising, a new product being rushed out is more likely to have pixel issues, which isn't a huge problem, you just get your device replaced...

"DEAD PIXEL WARRANTY AND TESTING...

We have just been infomned by Sony that they will not be warranting any dead
pixel units. They are only warranting hardware defects ie broken buttons,
malfuction with drive and so on. Dead Pixels are not considered a defect by Sony
of America and will not be warrantied
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/4461/

In other words, doesn't matter HOW many pixels are stuck or blown on your new extremely expensive handheld gaming system, you simply have to deal with it, becase it isn't a defect... (that is, unless you can convince the store where you bought the PSP that your PSP is defective, and thus get a new one. However, this may or may not work)

So, as I said before, handhelds ARE a large battlefield for pixel issues. If you want to play a PSP game, you don't have much of a choice in which company/device you purchase... so if you really want/need that game, you are kinda stuck with that company's decisions...

Luckly, Palm and Pocket PC devices have a bit more diverse market... too bad all vendors in those markets have something special wrong with them! :bang head

Still, thought you wanted to know about the new LCD pixel news...

deathman20

03-28-05, 11:24 AM

I thought the same way about the PSP not offering replacement due to dead pixels but in another thread, there was links confirming on that Sony will replace them after 1-2 weeks if the issue persists with the dead/stuck pixels.

Glad they changed there stance on it. Yet some stores also if you return it for a new PSP you might get another PSP that someone had and returned also because of the dead pixel issue.

Look at the thread here about it http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=375594

My stance on a small screen is that it should be flawless. How hard is it to get a small screen without any issues compared to a huge screen that has no issues either. The big screen will have more issues for sure due to the larger pixel counts.

And as said most people don't notice a dead pixel unless they look for it. Just like someone opened there door into my front fender and I didn't notice it til someone said something, but now I see it all the time.

Audioaficionado

03-28-05, 08:22 PM

If you want to find any dead or stuck pixels, check this little app out :thup:
http://www.laptopshowcase.co.uk/downloads.php?id=1

Not one bad pixel on my daughter's 19" 16ms Acer AL1912 :clap:

Cowboy X

04-02-05, 12:04 PM

http://www.behardware.com/articles/519/page5.html

That link should be useful in future LCD purchases .

threeme2189

04-02-05, 12:55 PM

i can not see one dead pixel on the current screen im using but if theres a special way to check il go for it...(pm me on how to do it if there is)
the old borked screen had one dead pixel that was green or black depending on its brightness. didnt bother me much though...i just forgot about it and didnt notice it unless i looked for it...

Audioaficionado

04-02-05, 08:09 PM

http://www.behardware.com/articles/519/page5.html

That link should be useful in future LCD purchases .Thanx Cowboy :thup:
I was considering Acer because my daughter's Acer worked out so well for her. The 4 dead pixel policy is a good selling point for me as few online dealers including newegg will deal with LCD returns anymore.

The Hyundaï monitor is nice but in the event you get a bad one, their warrenty support is practily nonexistant plus it has to have over twice as many bad pixels than Acer requires. They have left Pinky twisting in the wind far too long already.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=377138

Forget Benq! Can you believe their absoulutely ridiculous pixel policy?

Radical

04-02-05, 11:39 PM

Yeah Samsung's Zero Dead Pixel Policy is effective in South Korea only, but I just got my 710N and it has zero dead pixels. The BenQ FP767 I had before this 710N also had zero dead pixels.

Audioaficionado

04-03-05, 12:19 AM

I saw a good review of the Samsung SyncMaster 910N however all I can find is the 910T. Are they pretty much the same monitor? Unfortunately you either get a PVA which is too slow to run fast gaming action but with a true 1.7 million color palett will work better for photo and video work or the TF panels that have good looking colors and are fast enough for gaming but suck when watching DVD movies due to the sparkling effect caused by the dithering needed to get frem their true 250K color palett to 1.2 million colors.

It's an either/or situation and I'm not getting another CRT.

I'd get the Hyundaï monitor except for the mixed expirences for RMAs and poor QC. Samsung seems to be on the high-road compared to most other LCD manufactures.

Radical

04-03-05, 03:33 AM

I can't find US retailers who sell the 910N, either, all I can find is retailers that aren't in the US. I did, however, find a nice review that looks at both the 910N and the 910T at X-Bit labs:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/19inch-3.html

Cowboy X

04-03-05, 11:12 AM

Oops I just realised that i didn't post the link for the beginning of the article :

http://www.behardware.com/articles/519/page1.html

Oh , and Benq's policy sux .

theblt

04-03-05, 01:10 PM

I got a couple free 17" NEC Flat Screen CRT's.
IMO, they look better than most LCD's just because of the clear crisp display.

Radical

04-03-05, 03:42 PM

That's probably true, but they're bad for your eyes.

Mr.Guvernment

04-03-05, 07:20 PM

Sony has made a no dea dpixel poslicy suppsoedly for their PSP - but they make sure to mention that dead pixels is a "normal" part of the process of LCD's.

Audioaficionado

04-03-05, 09:47 PM

Since the likes of that 24" Dell are way out of my reach and so are the 1600x1200 20" panels, I think I'll go with that Samsung 910T PVA panel. It won't do fast gaming but DVDs look great. When I get a second LCD, I'll get one with a fast gaming response like the Hyundaï monitor or maybe even that Dell.

Edit: I ended up getting the 19" Samsung 920T 25ms 16.7 million color panel at Newegg.

Contra

04-08-05, 10:00 PM

i cant wait till Flat panel CRT's come out for the mass market or OLEDs for that matter
that will be something

by the way i have none dead at all and couldnt be happier

Mr.Guvernment

04-15-05, 04:09 PM

it is amazing what they are coming out with already - i dont plan to buy an LCD any time soon because of the 2 or 3 new standards already out that perform better then :LCD's do anyways.

MLMIB

04-15-05, 04:14 PM

it is amazing what they are coming out with already - i dont plan to buy an LCD any time soon because of the 2 or 3 new standards already out that perform better then :LCD's do anyways.
theres always gunna be the technology of tomorrow that looks so much better 'n just days away. but if todays technology fills your needs than why not?