Hynundai L90D+ or 2001FP

[daddyorchips]

After reading the long and very positive thread regarding the new Hyundai 8ms beauty, I'm really tempted to sell off my current Dell 2001fp and pick one of them up. I was wondering if anyone had any first hand experience of the two screens, to save me a lot of money comparing them side-by-side?

By the way, my reasons for wanting the swap are two fold. One is obviously the improved specs behind the L90D+ screen: 8ms delay sounds great and I'm enticed by the very mention of vivid colours. But are they really that vivid, and more so than the Dell's? My current screen's sweet spot are red colours (techy term ;) ), but it's ever-so-slightly irritating as I can spot the screendoor effect. The other reason for changing screens is that, although my current setup is powered by an X800 XT graphics card, I fear that newer more demanding games are going to have trouble running in the native 1600x1200 res, especially with AA added on. I'm more of an AA ***** than high-res one tbh, so I'm thinking that having a native res of 1280x1024 may be more ideal.

Any thoughts? :thup:

[Pinky]

I have a x800XT card, running 1600x1200 with few issues, but I don't have AA turned up.

Instead of getting the new 24" Dell LCD coming out next month for $1000-1200, I decide to not sell my existing LCD (which I would lose $350 in resale value after only 45 days :( ). Instead of getting 2 L90D+ monitors I'm going to keep my existing for primary and add a second L90D+ for gaming. It cost me $410 shipped from xpcgear, so I get to keep my current kickass monitor! :D

I was THAT impressed with my friend's L90D+ I just came home and ordered one. Off to find a decent monitor stand/arm for my desk.

[daddyorchips]

I could keep this monitor, but apparently it's display output whilst connected via a standard db15 vga cable is non too impressive. That kinda makes it redundant as a decent 2nd screen :P

TBH, I'm quite happy having one or the other. By the way, what screen have you got currently, that you've decided isn't as good as this one for gaming?

[Pinky]

TBH, I'm quite happy having one or the other. By the way, what screen have you got currently, that you've decided isn't as good as this one for gaming?

I have a Samsung 213T. A great monitor for movies, but the 25ms delay shows some tearing/ghosting in a few games. In time my eyes have actually grown to SEE the ghosting. After seeing what it was like with zero ghosting playing Doom3 earlier today, I just HAD to get a better gaming monitor. Sadly, I was poised to buy the Hyundai in January but foolishly held off. Now it cost me $50 more. :cry:

[daddyorchips]

Heh... at least you don't live in the UK where it costs almost double! Still tempted though ;)

[Pinky]

Heh... at least you don't live in the UK where it costs almost double! Still tempted though ;)

Do what our Canadian brethren do... make friends with someone from The States to send you 'gifts'. :p He said that even with customs and international shipping the items were a steal. Well, he actually said there was no other way to even get them where he lived.

[no, I'm not volunteering, I only did that once for someone I've known a long time on the forums ;) ]

[daddyorchips]

Heh... that would be an incredible "welcome to the forums" offer too! Shame ;)

[daddyorchips]

Btw pinky, did you see your friend try some games out at say 1024x768? I don't mind the interpolation at all on my current screen - it's kinda like free anti-aliasing - but I'm a little concerned after reading that any resolution bar 1280x1024 looks bad on the Hyundai... :P

[Pinky]

No, only native I believe. Others have said the interpolation is acceptible with the L90D+.

[Richard]

I play Enemy Territory at 1024x768 and it looks fine. I also played a little half-life 2 at that res. No problems. Heck, even 640x480 and 800x600 are tolerable, in my opinion.

[micamica1217]

I tested Doom3 and HL2 at 1024x768 on the L90D+....
is great looking, good enough for ya?

mica

[daddyorchips]

I made the plunge, and picked up a Hyundai L90D+ today to test alongside my Dell. Here are my initial impressions:-

Ok here goes. Hyndai L90D+ versus Dell 2001fp.

1. BUILD

Out of the box, this screen is MUCH lighter and its casing is soo much smaller than the Dell's. Remember, this is with a power pack built IN to the Hyundai too! (the Dell's one is seperate)

The base of the screen does look a bit tacky, especially when sat next to the Dell screen. Overall, the build quality is nicely robust, but aesthetically the screen looks cheaper than the Dell. Which it IS, so fair enough. What is nice is how small the bezel is: it's tiny, especially when compared to the Dell's. I'll get some pictures up of them together for all to see!

Let me get my biggest negative out of the way now: the buttons on the Hyundai are AWFUL. It's a really nice touch that they're hidden underneath the bezel of the screen, next to the luuurvely blue power led. But having to press them is another thing entirely :P They're basically plastic, flimsy bumps/bubbles that have to be pressed firmly and in the very centre to make them respond. Not that you'll be spending much time with them as the menu screen is actually very basic. After coming from the Dell's multitude of options (you could say there were too many), I was surprised to find no temperature controls at all, just brightness/contrast/input select/language and an OSD changer. I'm not sure if this changes if you use the VGA DB-15 cable, as I haven't got round to testing that yet.

2. PICTURE

Now here's the good part. Firstly, after reading all the reviews, I was expecting a really glary, bright output. Not so. The contrast on this screen is just about perfect out of the box: pin-point whites shine, colours stand out, seperation is nice. However, I wouldn't say they it was any sharper than the Dell: in some cases it looks less so. The actually brightness of the screen was too high though, creating a slightly washed out look. This was easily fixed by altering the brightness down to 50. Once contrast was set at 75, everything was looking hunky dory. The screen still is lighter than the Dell's - even with the Dell set to 90 brightness - but this is a really good thing, as tones look less dark and more natural. Also, whilst the screen was warming up, I noticed the colours became fuller too. Another bonus! Another point worth making is that this screen is far easier on the eyes than the Dell. It could be just that I'm using a lower resolution with a higher DPI, but the image seems much more "still". You could say that having now seen both, 1280x1024 looks well suited when stretched over 19 inches, whilst 1600x1200 is too high a resolution for 20.

3. GAMES

So far I've tested UT2004, Doom 3, Half Life 2 and WoW. They've all looked great. Thanks to the extra available brightness, I can see more than on the Dell, and the IQ remains about the same. I'm surprised to say the difference in response time IS noticeable - I'm not normally bothered about these things - and when looking around in say Unreal Tournament the image remains sharper on the Hyundai. It's not completely perfect: there's definitely still some blur. Half Life 2 and WoW are extremely colourful games, and the Hyundai does a good job with them. On the whole, whilst looking more life like, the extreme colours are not as brash and bold as on the Dell. I always found on the 2001FP, using User RGB setting (50/50/50), that reds tended to be highlighted more, and this doesn't happen with the L90D+. What DOES happen though is that all the colours look more equally pronounced, and everything takes on a more photo like sheen. This is good stuff!

So far, everything I've mentioned is in the L90D+'s native res of 1280x1024, compared to the Dell's 1600x1200. When knocking the res down to 1024x768, the Hyundai takes a noticeable hit. This screen is nowhere near as good at interpolating as the Dell. At 1024x768, it does the job ok, but text becomes jaggedy. The image isn't as sharp overall and blur/ghosting (?) becomes more pronounced generally. The Dell manages to retain a slightly sharper image and the text remains intact. 800x600 is unplayable on the Hyundai, but for some reason 640x480 interpolates extremely well! The Dell doesn't particular handle either of these admirably either, though it does have the option of turning the scaling off.

I'm going to give this screen a good workout over the next few days before deciding. I'm actually leaning towards the Hyundai L90D+ at the moment! It's far more portable, the screen bezel is lovely, and the image is just nicer for my eyes. The Dell definitely has the better feature set, but tbh I don't use half of what's available.

If anyone has any questions, please feel free to ask!

[daddyorchips]

** Further Impressions **

Having played all day, I've got a bit of a confession to make. I think I'm going to have to backtrack somewhat on my previous comments. Not all the way mind...

Now it's hit night time, the glare of the screen has reached such a peak that I've had no choice but to lower the contrast significantly. Unfortunately, doing this really drains the screen of colour, and this appears to really hurt gaming. Part of the beauty of World of Warcraft, for instance, is the use of strong primary colours, and these can look quite plain on the L90D+ once the contrast is reduced. Even at a high contrast, the gap between the Dell and the Hyundai is becoming more evident: the Dell steam-rollers over it. To put it bluntly, WoW looks as if its had some of the life sucked out of it. Also, the sharpness of the Hyundai, whilst providing for an impressive display, also helps promote sharper edges and poor textures more than the Dell. World of Warcraft really does look rough at times on it :P

On the flip-side of the coin, some games are REALLY benefitting from the excess contrast. Far Cry looks fantastic, and you could sharpen blades with its IQ. I've just finished dabbling in Dawn of War, and that looks great also. Plenty of detail for all to see.

I still miss my colour though. I'm typing this back on the 2001FP again, and am just soaking up the high-resolution, colourful goodness. Going to give WoW another whirl in a mo, and reassure myself of the difference.

Viewing angles: Tom's Hardware couldn't have said it better. They're really not all that great. Sitting in front of it, swaying side to side, there really isn't an issue. But the bottom of the screem is definitely slightly lighter than the top, and it would appear you can't adjust the angle so that the entire screen is uniform. It's no biggie though.

Films: look fine to me. Am using an ATI X800 XT to run this, and I can't really tell any difference between the two. Photo wise, the Hyundai puts in a good show. Its heavy contrast really brings out any still image you care to put on the screen. The Dell isn't far behind, and its colours still beat the Hyundai in this department, but sometimes so much so that photos can look artificial in comparison. I think I'll give this one to the Hyundai.

Soooooooo, I'm still undecided. But I'm back on the Dell side of the fence, so sorry about any misleading enthusiasm in my initial comments! Both these monitors are great, but for completely DIFFERENT reasons :P Bloody typical.

[Pinky]

Sounds like you may end up doing what I suspected I would all along - keep the larger LCD as primary and the 19" as the gaming.

[micamica1217]

Sounds like you may end up doing what I suspected I would all along - keep the larger LCD as primary and the 19" as the gaming.

I'm thinking he will do the same too.

since the L90D+ is my first LCD and my old CRT was getting dull and dark...
I just can't say enough great things about the L90D+

yet I'm sure the 2001 dell is grate at a few things, maybe far better at 1 or 2 things.
but isn't that the case with LCDs today? you can't have it all?

I'm also playing WoW for the past 2 days on my L90D+, and loving it...
what do I know? it's my first LCD, and I'll never go back to CRTs again.

mica

[Pinky]

I'm also playing WoW for the past 2 days on my L90D+, and loving it...
what do I know? it's my first LCD, and I'll never go back to CRTs again.


This forum has seen a lot of hardcore CRT to LCD converts since the L90D+ (my friend Balthzar being one of them).

[Bal`thzar]

CRT, bah we don't need no Steenking CRT

[Droban]

I'm deffinitely waiting till the end of the summer to see what comes out then. This monitor looks very sweet, but I don't think it will cut it for me.

[micamica1217]

Having been lucky enough to test the very best TN+ panel - the 19" Hyundai L90D+ - and a recommended and nicely priced S-IPS panel - the 20.1" Dell 2001FP - I've come to the conclusion after much testing that the latter is better. And by better, I mean by a country mile.

The Hyundai has the response time, true, as well as a much greater contrast and possibly superior clarity thanks to its heightened contrast ratio (700:1), but otherwise it simply cannot complete with the Dell. Firstly, having a 1280x1024 resolution stretched over 19" provides a large DPI of ~0.29. Couple this with the OTT sharpness of this tft and cracks in games become very prominent. You won't be able to miss bad textures and jaggies will scream out at you even with anti-aliasing enabled. Not only does 1600x1200 and thus a much smaller dpi make these issues simply disappear on the Dell, but its contrast appears pretty much spot on to boot (from dark to bright, everything looks crisp). Secondly, the colours are far from impressive on the Hyundai. Next to the Dell, the best way to describe them would be lifeless. At first I thought they appeared more accurate then the Dell's: this is very possibly the case, but if it is then I'll take exaggerated colours any day :P The only thing that the Hyundai exaggerates is the contrast between extremely bright, bland colours, and those that are extremely dull and bland. A good example is World of Warcraft: its prominent use of vivid primary colours is pummelled into an ugly, drained mush on the L90D+. That's not to say the Hyundai experience is entirely bad: Doom 3 benefits from its detailed blacks, whilst Far Cry appears pin-point sharp. The Dell still handles these games with aplomb though, and visual are so much richer: the difference between the two can be startling.

To conclude, I guess I've realised how little ghosting matters to me, or perhaps how much it is obsessed over. The Dell 2001FP is rated at twice that of the Hyundai L90D+ (16 as opposed to 8ms, the 2005FPW is even closer at 12!). The difference IS there, but on the Hyundai trails ARE still evident. If you're going to be anal about these things, you owe it to yourself to wait until the delay drops to 4ms, then 2ms, then 1.... Or you could just stick with your CRT :P As far as TFT's go, IMO you can't go wrong with these Dell screens (or the Viewsonic edition for that matter) and as they're appearing at low prices it really is a steal. Just make sure you have the graphical under your bonnet to power it :)

what bothers me by this reply, is that unlike your last one, you now seem to like the "flaws" of the 2001FP...saying it's better because of it.

while we can't have it all in a LCD, I can't see pimping the lack of sharpness, poorer color matching, or far worse blacks of the 2001FP.

with colors that don't seem to match well, and poorer blacks, you'ld think that you would hate the 2001FP, but you now repeatedly make the 2001FP sound like it's the bomb because of it.
am I missing something?

the L90D+......
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20050215/lcd-02.html

the 2001FP.....
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20040609/lcd_review-02.html

mica

[ajrettke]

Well I think what he's talking about is the comparison...not necessarily the limitations. He gives adequate reasoning for his replies.
I believe the problem with the L90D is the native resolution. For most gamers this is a + to have the low res, but being 19" viewable and 1280x1024 causes the pixels to be much larger.
Well I'm also unable to notice ghosting with my 2005fpw so maybe my eyes just aren't sensative to that.

[Pinky]

For most gamers this is a + to have the low res, but being 19" viewable and 1280x1024 causes the pixels to be much larger.

Which is why I'm keeping my 21.3" LCD for desktop, web, and movies and using the L90D+ (still waiting on UPS) only as a secondary gaming monitor.

[Swatdog]

I'm looking to buy the DELL UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD Monitor and thought I would check the forum for a few reviews or see if anyone has talked about it at all.

Would this monitor be ok for gaming? I want a big monitor, but still something smaller in depth (in size) than my current 17" CRT to save room. This is a damn good price, and I've always wanted a 20" flat panel LCD. I just need to know if the ghosting is insanly noticable to normal gamers (:p) like me, or it is to only VERY VERY picky players that can even notice if their FPS drops from 90 to 85. ;)

I'm not too crazy in buying a 20.1" CRT monitor.... It would be just too big IMO. But if anyone can find atleast a 20" wide screen flat panel monitor with less delay than the 12ms the 2005FPW has that's a tiny bit more or around the same price, then I will surely buy it.

[micamica1217]

Well I think what he's talking about is the comparison...not necessarily the limitations. He gives adequate reasoning for his replies.
I believe the problem with the L90D is the native resolution. For most gamers this is a + to have the low res, but being 19" viewable and 1280x1024 causes the pixels to be much larger.
Well I'm also unable to notice ghosting with my 2005fpw so maybe my eyes just aren't sensative to that.

your talking about the jaggys that will be at 1280x1024 with no AA....
and while 1600x1200 is better, not many cards can do this in brand new games.

his card is a x800xtpe, I think.
it should run basicly every game now at 1600x1200...
but what about down the road?
then, he'll need to fall back to 1280x1024...and he can't really do that with the 2001FP.

yet at 1280x1024 onthe L90D+, you can just use some AA for now, then turn it off as games get harder on your card.

side note: but I wasn't talking about that....
if anything at 1600x1200 the 2001FP should be sharper in games...
but he says it's not.
he also stated that the colors are nicer to him, but they are clearly off.

so let's see, he likes poor color matching, unsharp images, and poorer blacks in a LCD...???
that just don't make sence to me.
again, I'm sure I'm missing something he's trying to say.

let me see if I can show a few things I have a hard time understanding.....

Having been lucky enough to test the very best TN+ panel - the 19" Hyundai L90D+ - and a recommended and nicely priced S-IPS panel - the 20.1" Dell 2001FP - I've come to the conclusion after much testing that the latter is better. And by better, I mean by a country mile.

a country mile?
hmmmm...

The Hyundai has the response time, true, as well as a much greater contrast and possibly superior clarity thanks to its heightened contrast ratio (700:1), but otherwise it simply cannot complete with the Dell.

see, he states 3 things better about the L90D+, then he states that the Dell is still better. :confused:

You won't be able to miss bad textures and jaggies will scream out at you even with anti-aliasing enabled. Not only does 1600x1200 and thus a much smaller dpi make these issues simply disappear on the Dell, but its contrast appears pretty much spot on to boot (from dark to bright, everything looks crisp).

ok, since when is a sharper LCD (L90D+) a bad thing?


Secondly, the colours are far from impressive on the Hyundai. Next to the Dell, the best way to describe them would be lifeless. At first I thought they appeared more accurate then the Dell's: this is very possibly the case, but if it is then I'll take exaggerated colours any day :P

ah, the L90D+ is more accurate in colors, his original thoughts were true.



That's not to say the Hyundai experience is entirely bad: Doom 3 benefits from its detailed blacks, whilst Far Cry appears pin-point sharp. The Dell still handles these games with aplomb though, and visual are so much richer: the difference between the two can be startling.

you go ahead and tell me what this means...I'm clueless.
yet it's almost like he still thinks the 2001FP is better in the long run for a gaming LCD.

mica

[micamica1217]

daddyorchips,

let me just say that I don't care what LCD you think is better, just like I don't care what I think better...
but after you started to wright your first two thoughts/replys, you whent from a nice clean objective review to your third reply that was clearly contridictory to basicly everything you've said, and are even saying now.

IT HAS BEEN YOU (not tom's) that state the colors on the Dell might be off or exaggerated.
IT HAS BEEN YOU who stated many things about the L90D+, that are better then the Dell, yet you still contradicted yourself in the same sentance(s).
it has been you who has stated the shapness of farcry was better in the L90D+, so when I say that the 2001FP is unsharp, I don't mean it so litaraly.
but you are making many good points for the L90D+ (repeatedly), yet you then knock it down by saying things that might be looked at too subjectivly.

your original thoughts were like this...
But I'm back on the Dell side of the fence, so sorry about any misleading enthusiasm in my initial comments! Both these monitors are great, but for completely DIFFERENT reasons :P Bloody typical.

but now, even with some bad things (that you point out on the Dell), the Dell is the clearly better choice?
Yes, I think it is



for example, you seem to like the colors on the 2001FP, nothing wrong with that.
but even you stated ....

The Dell isn't far behind, and its colours still beat the Hyundai in this department, but sometimes so much so that photos can look artificial in comparison.

I didn't say that, Tom's didn't say that...you did.
yet the colors are now better on the Dell, by magic?

more on colors....

At first I thought they appeared more accurate then the Dell's: this is very possibly the case, but if it is then I'll take exaggerated colours any day

On the whole, whilst looking more life like, the extreme colours are not as brash and bold as on the Dell. I always found on the 2001FP, using User RGB setting (50/50/50), that reds tended to be highlighted more, and this doesn't happen with the L90D+. What DOES happen though is that all the colours look more equally pronounced, and everything takes on a more photo like sheen. This is good stuff!

Secondly, the colours are far from impressive on the Hyundai. Next to the Dell, the best way to describe them would be lifeless.

do you see how YOU went from a technical, objectional thought on colors, to a subjective (I like it this way, so it's better) one????

I could go on, like...

You could say that having now seen both, 1280x1024 looks well suited when stretched over 19 inches, whilst 1600x1200 is too high a resolution for 20.

and

Firstly, having a 1280x1024 resolution stretched over 19" provides a large DPI of ~0.29. Couple this with the OTT sharpness of this tft and cracks in games become very prominent.

hmmm, didn't you originaly want a 19" 1280x1024 LCD?
yes you did.
then you liked it (the res), then you don't.
no offence (and take this verry lightly), but you sound like a girl who is constintly changing her mind.
but the real question is, why does your likes value or equal the best LCD in the end?



my real point is that you constantly contridict yourself, sometimes even in the same sentance.
but in the end, even with all the pros that you point out for the L90D+, your final thoughts are the 2001FP is better.
yet clearly, as I have, and you have, "you can't seem to have it all" with just one type of LCD.

to sit here, and say, that the 2001 is better then the L90D+, when you state 3 or more things about the Hyundai that is better then the dell, is clearly biased (due to maybe WoW, and/or the environment your in.)
I understand that there are reasons for your change of mind, and why your saying some of the things you are.
but you are not clear as to why the Dell is sooo much better then the L90D+, when clearly the Dell has some major flaws of its own.

I could go on all day, but I think I made my point.

mica

[Pinky]

daddyorchips, it sounds to me like you really don't want to like the L90D+ for whatever reasons. Your posts are rather contradictory and confusing. I say this without even needing to read your the last 2 responses. Perhaps you could go back to the first post where this all started, delete it (and the rest of the confusing posts), and begin fresh with PROS and CONS for each monitor. You could even breakdown the specific areas of performance (response, contrast, luminosity, color response, etc) and note which one 'wins' in each category. This is the true face-off style of reviewing.

I was keeping score like mica and my score sheet had Hyundai by a country mile, but then you trump your own review results and just hand Dell the trophy inspite of them.

No one here cares if you like/dislike the L90D+, but we do care that the 'opinion' of a review be based in fact.

[daddyorchips]

Thanks for the heads up guys, taken all your points on board and agree with a lot of them. I did mean to start this thread as an objective comparison between the two screens and it has degenerated basically into my train of thought - like a girl in a shoe shop to carry on micamica's analogy. But as I was rushing to get my thoughts down, I didn't stop to see that this possibly doesn't tend to work on a message board, especially for anybody trying to keep track ;) I think I'll use Pinky's suggestion to knock a few of my above posts on the head and come up with a constructive table of pros and cons.

Apologies micamica if I caused any offence bud. :thup:

[daddyorchips]

Hyundai L90D+

PLUS

Very bright/high contrast image (brings out the tiniest details and sharpens edges, looks good in even the brightest room: Dawn of War, UT2004 and Far Cry stood out as definitely benefitting from this; for example, the little details on troops really stood out in DOW, Far Cry's never-ending landscape became even more apparent)
Detailed Blacks (finally make the monsters out in Doom 3)
Excellent Stills (your OS desktop won't look any easier on your eyes than this, photographs look life-like)
Excellent in motion (lowest response times available, closest you can get to CRT - noticeably less ghosting than the 16ms Dell)
Huge screen that takes up minimal space, very thin bezel, adjustable tiny stand
Very light weight
Cheap (in the states?)

MINUS

In a darker room, contrast will need to be reduced, sacrificing some image detail
Noticed in World of Warcraft and Half-Life 2 that colours took a hit, were more washed out (though this could be down to the brightness of the screen, even when turned down somewhat; I think that readjustment of brightness/contrast settings as well as possibly graphics card colour/gamma settings could fix this, but need more time to test)
Interpolation is average (the native resolution of 1280x1024 is considerably sharper than 1024x768, text is also much blockier in 1024x768: most noticeable in UT2004)

Dell 2001FP

PLUS

High resolution (1600x1200)
True 8-bit colour screen
Vivid, very bold colour reproduction (the colourful artistry in World of Warcraft and Half-life 2 really stands out on this screen - i.e. the change in colour tone incurred during the change day to night really stood out in WoW, whilst Half-Life 2's lighting looked very real)
Contrast settings looks good out of the box
Very good interpolation (1280x1024 and even 1024x768 look good, sharpness doesn't take too much of a hit and text remains readable: true 4:3 aspect means 1280x1024 is stretched though)
Lots of features (tv inputs, RGB settings, zoom and scaling functions, Picture-in-Picture, usb hub)

Minus

Definite bias towards red hues, colours can be too dramatic (can give images a larger-than-life look, hard to get rid of red bias)
At full blast, about half as bright as the Hyundai is capable of (less detailed blacks, gamma compensation may be required in games like Doom 3)
Backlight leakage (top-right hand corner on mine: a common problem with these screens)
Higher latency than the L90D+ (not a lot, but noticeable when you compared the two)
High native resolution (it's possible you may struggle to run games at 1600x1200 when the next gen of games come out)
Very bulky screen/stand combo (the Dell 2001FP is heavy, maybe twice that of the L90D+)

Neither screen is a perfect all-rounder - in fact they excel at very different things. I think opinions will differ widely on which people prefer. If I've missed anything out, please feel free to add points/features to the list above. Hope this helps any prospective buyers! :)

[micamica1217]

daddyorchips,

great job, you now get a mica award..... :attn:

mica

[Swatdog]

Okay, let's have a non-BS answer. Is the Hyundai L90D+ a better monitor than the 2001FP? I think it is simply because of the latency difference, and the fact that the L90D+ can handle darker colors better.

[daddyorchips]

Cheers mica :D

Swatdog, there's no straight forward answer, because as you can see they both have their own fair share of pros and cons. PERSONALLY, I prefer the Dell, but that's because I place more weight in colour reproduction over everything else.

[Swatdog]

Cheers mica

Swatdog, there's no straight forward answer, because as you can see they both have their own fair share of pros and cons. PERSONALLY, I prefer the Dell, but that's because I place more weight in colour reproduction over everything else.

Ok, I have absolutely NO experience in LCD monitors. Infact, I have no experience with monitors, LCD or CRT, bigger than 17". :p Will the 16ms latency on the Dell REALLY bug a person that does not know any better from a 16ms monitor to an 8ms monitor while gaming? Thats all that i'm worried about is the amount of "ghosting" ingame. But if its not really THAT noticable, then I have no problem with getting the Dell.

*EDIT*
BTW, what's the difference between the 2001FP and the Dell UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD Monitor (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/ProductDetail.aspx?TabPage=techspecs&sku=320-4111&category_id=4009&c=us&l=en&cs=04), besides the wide aspect? This was the original monitor that I was looking into before I started reading this topic. Another question, should I just stick with a regular square monitor instead of a wide aspect one to prevent stretching ingame? Oh and also, the 2005FPW has a latency of 12ms, which is better than the 2001FP.

[Pinky]

The wide screen won't stretch in-game (from my understanding). Instead it creates black bars around where the native resolutuion starts and the gaming resolution ends, kinda like widescreen movies on a TV or regular cable on a HDTV. Some games have wide screen resolutions available, some don't. There's a website (widescreengaming.com or something) that explains work arounds for older games on widescreen lcds.

The faster the panel (12ms better than 16ms) the better for gaming response. I just finished HL2 last night, the entire time I played at 25ms (the response of my LCD). No headaches or anything as some others complain about. It's a case-by-case basis depending on how sensitive your eyes are. I notice tearing from time to time but it isn't enough to ruin the experience.

[MLMIB]

I vote 2405fp(even though it hasn't been mentioned yet

1920x1200 is just amazing for desktop space 'n all(on a 1920x1200 lappy right now, just wow) and it has every input u could want short of coax, even supports pip and every memory card I can think of

[Swatdog]

I vote 2405fp(even though it hasn't been mentioned yet

1920x1200 is just amazing for desktop space 'n all(on a 1920x1200 lappy right now, just wow) and it has every input u could want short of coax, even supports pip and every memory card I can think of

Good god, 24"... That's soo big. Its got a nicer latency too, even for it's bigger size:

2405FP (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/monitors/topics/en/monitor_feature?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd)

[daddyorchips]

After reading up on the 2005fpw, I'm really tempted to try that one out next and do another comparison (yes, I've got far too much spare time ;))

One thing that concerns me mainly is performance at the native widescreen resolution of the 2005 compared to the native 4:3 resolution of the 2001. If there's a wider field of view, how much would that hamper framerates? :p

Guess there's only one way to find out... :)

[micamica1217]

After reading up on the 2005fpw, I'm really tempted to try that one out next and do another comparison (yes, I've got far too much spare time ;))

One thing that concerns me mainly is performance at the native widescreen resolution of the 2005 compared to the native 4:3 resolution of the 2001. If there's a wider field of view, how much would that hamper framerates? :p

Guess there's only one way to find out... :)

what bothers me about widescreen TVs and LCDs is the fact that at 20", you get a smaller image then on a normal TV or LCD.

what do you think?

mica

[daddyorchips]

Smaller as in when you try to display a 4:3 picture on it? :-/

What does confuse me is why most lcd widescreen monitors (the non-tv hybrid ones: not that there's many of them) have a 16:10 ratio. Strange. I was really put off the widescreen resolution until I discovered a widescreengamingforum.com. It seems that quite a few games now handily come with 16:10/16:9 options as standard, whilst a lot can be editted to support them. Also, there's strong rumours (facts?) abound that suggest Microsoft's next OS will be pushing widescreen support.

[micamica1217]

Smaller as in when you try to display a 4:3 picture on it? :-/


yes, in hight.

go to a local store and view a 27" (or whatever is the same for you.) standard TV, and then a 27" wide screen....make sure you view a non wide show.

mica

[Swatdog]

After reading up on the 2005fpw, I'm really tempted to try that one out next and do another comparison (yes, I've got far too much spare time ;))


And money... :beer:

[daddyorchips]

Hehe

Let's just say that interest free credit and distance selling acts (right to return an item within 7-14 days) tend to help here ;)

[Swatdog]

Hehe

Let's just say that interest free credit and distance selling acts (right to return an item within 7-14 days) tend to help here ;)

But what if you like the product sooo much that you absolutely cannot give it back? :)

Anyway that would be cool if you could review it. It seems like an awesome monitor.

[daddyorchips]

Consider it done... Hopefully the screen will arrive on Tuesday :)

If I like it THAT much, the lesser screen will just have to go! And then I'll go without food for a month. Simple as ;)

[MLMIB]

If I like it THAT much, the lesser screen will just have to go! And then I'll go without food for a month. Simple as ;)
famous last words :cool:

[pduan87]

AHHHHH.... decisions decisions... L90D+ or 2001fp...