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Cerberus2k7
12-07-04, 10:56 PM
Have $xxx to spend on a video card?


Video cards can be a love/hate relationship when it comes to the two main companies (ATi (http://www.ati.com) and nVidia (http://www.nvidia.com)), and they often switch it up for the #1 spot with each new release. So which cards should you go for? Which cards should you avoid? Should you save up a little bit and get an even better card? What about the new technologies? Hopefully this will give you some clarification. I realize that the prices do change, which is why I gave a broad price range, and I will be updating as much as possible to keep this up to date. If you need specific information on a card, look no further than 9mmCensors Video Card thread Here. (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=264879)

If you decide to overclock and you fry your card, it is YOUR fault. Do not try to RMA a card that you killed by Overclocking, voltmodding, or doing any other external or internal modification that you read about on this site or anywhere else. I as well as Overclockers.com and OCForums.com are not responsible if you kill your card.

The prices are going to go from highest to lowest, and there will be a gamers and designers section. I will include both ATi and nVidia cards, as well as some pros and cons where possible. If you have any of these cards and wish to add your $.02, feel free to post.

Companies: There are many companies that produce video cards, but not all are equal. Some overclock better than others, and some are faster right out of the box, for ATi, companies you can be safe with in terms of overclocking are BBA (Built by ATi), Sapphire Tech, and PowerColor. nVidia users can be safe with Gainward, Leadtek, MSI, BFG, and PNY.

Image Quality: Image Quality, or also referred to as “IQ” is a very touchy subject when it comes to ATi and nVidia. ATi in general will have slightly better IQ when it comes to their newest cards (X800 line) for the most part, and the older 9800 pros pretty much have better IQ than the comparable FX line hands down. Generally it ends up as a flame war, but something you should look into if you are into the overall quality and look of the game.


Gamers Cards



If money is no object…

ATi: The X1800XT line is the current dream card from ATi… For now. ;) Clock speeds are pushing 625/1.5GHz! as opposed to their last model which was running around 540/1180, the X1850XT is the card to have if you want all the girls in the yard!
Pros: Lightning fast, PCI-E flava, 512megs of RAM, HDTV/S-Video/Composite Out capability, good stock cooling for overclocking.
Cons: Expensive! Not as fast as the equal nVidia counterpart in SLI mode.
Overclocking: I’ve checked a few threads but nothing that I can really comment on. Although it seems like people are giving a 60mhz increase on clock speeds.
Core: R520XT

nVidia: For nVidia lovers, the 7800GTX 512mb is the way to go. Pushing clock speeds of around 580/1750, these cards are often found pushing the highest FPS in most games. Also look to put these cards in SLI for the ultimate gaming experience!
Pros: Generally Dual DVI connections for best picture, Pixel Shaders 3.0, UltraShadow II to give a more realistic look to the game.
Cons: As of right now, I haven’t really seen any that cause major concern. Anyone have some input?
Overclocking: nVidia is known for having insane overclocks on their cards, and the 6800 line is no different. You can expect to see overclocks around 8-15% over stock speeds.
Core: NV4x

In the $350-450 range...

ATi:

•AGP:The x850XT/PE is the winner for the AGP category, with clock speeds in the 475/900 range, this is the little brother of the X800XT/PE line.
Pros: Single Slot cooling solution, overclocks to XT speeds, Available with VIVO/HDTV capability.
Cons: 4 crippled pipelines that can be unlocked(see below for more information), a little more money compared to their nVidia counterpart.
Overclocking: This card is a really good overclocker, hitting XT speeds, this card can save you $100+ if you don’t want to shell out for an XT. But a word of caution, this card has 4 crippled pipelines that CAN be unlocked. Sounds good at first, but if you do softmod this card to be an XT and unlock the extra pipes, your card can become unstable and die within the first few months of flashing it.
Core: R480

•PCI-E: The x1800XL can be had in PCI-E flava for this price and is truely a killer deal.
Pros: Well, it's a X1800XL. Which can confuse most and make them think it's the XT so they think you have the most bitchin' card around. ;) Running 500/1000 on average, this card will be able to handle pretty much every game you throw at it.
Cons: Honestly, this card has all the bases covered. If anything, people may be dissapointed with its overclockability.
Overclocking: As I said above, this may be considered a bad thing for some as like the R360 cores, overclocking tend to be hit and miss.
Core: R520

nVidia: Best card would be the 7800GTX 256mb. This is the little brother of the Stock clocks are around 350/1000, and usually end up at or past Ultra speeds(400/1100)
Pros: Overclocks to Ultra speeds in most cases, single slot cooling solution, requires only 1 molex connector, many people are saying it’s simply an underclocked Ultra.
Cons: Crippled VPU can push customers away. More information Here. (http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/7535)
Overclocking: It has been mentioned before that this card overclocks like a mad man, and it does. Making this card a great contender for the Ultras and even gives the X800XTs a run for their money.
Core: NV4x

In the $250-350 range…

ATi: This can be a very odd choice for some people, because ATi has both an AGP as well as a PCI-E card that will fit this price range well. So here it goes…

•AGP: Goes to the 9800Pro 256mb 256bit. This card has been around for a while, but still does its job well, overclocking to the 9800XT speeds, and ability to flash to XT BIOS for added performance, it makes this card perfect for anyone looking for a mid/upper level card.
Pros: High chance of getting the r360 cores which are used on the 9800XT line, thus giving the card tighter mem timings and XT speeds. Probably considered the best bang for the buck card along with its 128mb brother.
Cons: There aren’t really any cons for this card, just watch out for the 128bit cards. They will severely limit the performance of the card.
Overclocking: As I said before, this card can overclock to XT speeds almost every time, put this card on water and then see what she can do. OCForums member Rhino56 has a very nice 9800Pro on his hands right now. Currently holding a 3DMark record! Congrats to Rhino56!

•PCI-E: Goes to the X700 line. A new card from ATi that is supporting the PCI-E interface looks very promising for those who still need to upgrade.
Pros: From what I can see, this card is very young and so there is not much information regarding the benefits of this card besides the fact that this card is available with VIVO.
Cons: The 128bit mem bus on this card is very limiting. Although it does have 256megs of RAM, the memory bus seems to really cripple this card from its full potential.
Overclocking: As I said before, this card is very young, so information is scarce. Although I have seen this card with an 8% increase over the stock speeds of 420/860.

nVidia: The 6800NU fits well in this category due to its already near GT speeds, this card is clocked at 325/700, and has great potential for flashing to GT.
Pros: Low price and high performance, single slot cooling, requires one molex connector, 256bit mem bus.
Cons: Aside from power consumption, the main con in the whole 6800 line is a buggy video processor. Which means every AGP and bridged PCI-E 6800 card will have little to no video acceleration. Why is this bad? Because it is NOT fixable with a simple driver update. Interested in HDTV running on this card? This little problem this card has might force you to go up one level or turn to ATi. Interested in learning more about this drawback? There is a nice write up about it Here. (http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/7535)
Overclocking: With this cards clock speeds set as it right out of the box, it is not uncommon for people to flash the BIOS on these cards and run them as 6800GTs. Meaning you will have all 16pipes and 6 shaders opened. For more information on flashing the 6800 cards, you can read CandyManCans thread on it Here. (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=342919)

In the $150-250 range…

ATi: The 9800Pro 128mb 256bit is the best card for this range. Giving great IQ, and at 380/680, its not uncommon for this card to be seen reaching XT speeds, this card is often a hands down choice when picking a new video card.
Pros: Handles all of the newest games with decent frame rates, can be flashed to XT speeds and timings, You can also get the r360 cores on this card, single slot cooling solution.
Cons: There is a 128meb 128bit version of this card out, which has caused a lot of confusion. The 128bit version is fairly slower than the 256bit version. Easy way to tell if it’s a 128bit version and you don’t want to read, the heatsink is generally black on the 128bit versions, while the 256bit cards have the brushed aluminum heatsink. But pictures can be wrong, so make sure you do read the specs.
Overclocking: This card, like it’s 256mb big brother can reach XT speeds, and is still very much suffice for all of the latest games.

nVidia: Once again, we have two cards that fit this category! The 6600GT AGP and its twin; the 6600GT PCI-E both fit this price range, giving high frame rates and overclocking goodness, either card is a promising choice for their platforms.

6600GT AGP:
Pros: Single Slot cooling solution, one molex connector required, Pixel Shaders 3.0.
Cons: Also has a 128bit mem bus like its PCI-E twin, lack of SLI due to its AGP interface makes this card ranked just below the PCI-E version.
Overclocking: After a quick review, it is seen that the only real difference between the two cards is the interface. Overclocking will be in the same ballpark as its PCI-E twin which makes these cards a deadly duo.

6600GT PCI-E:
Pros: HDTV options available, good card if you want a cost effective SLI solution, single slot cooling.
Cons: 128bit mem bus, although it can be evened out through SLI.
Overclocking: At stock, this card already has very high clock speeds which are around 500/1000, although the 128bit bus hurts it, the overclocking ability and SLI capability of this card really make up for it.

Now it’s time to get down to the real budget cards…

In the $100-150 price range…

ATi: For this category, the 9800NP best fits due to its low price, yet ability to hit pro and XT speeds.
Pros: Overclocking goodness to hit pro/XT speeds at a fraction of the cost.
Cons: the 128bit mem bus will still make you lag in intensive games for loading textures.
Overclocking: The whole 9800 line is very promising when it comes to overclocking, with the NP/Pros reaching XT speeds and running XT BIOS. For more information, check out DDR-PIIIs thread on flashing the 9800 line Here. (http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=270479)

nVidia:For nVidia I would have to go with the FX5700NU 128bit in this area. While this card came out late in the game, it allowed nVidia to fix their DX9 hiccup which is found in most of the older FX cards. They did this while maintaining a solid 425/500 clock speed, this card also handles DX9 well compared to the earlier FX line.
Pros: 128bit mem bus ensures that this card keeps up with its speed, giving great bang for the buck value for those interested in the DX9 eye candy.
Cons: There is also a 64bit brother to this card out on the market so do not get confused, Like the 9800pro confusion, this card can also cause a headache if you don’t read carefully.
Overclocking: This card can really spread its wings. Meeting up with the 5700U line and being able to keep up with the 5700Us in overclocking makes this card a no-brainer when looking for a zippy gaming card.

In the $50-100 price range…

ATi: The 9600Pro is a great card. With DX9 capabilities and an average 400/400 clock speed, this card will be able to carry you through Half Life 2.
Pros: DX9 support, 128bit mem bus, AIW options available.
Cons: There really are no real cons for this card other than it’s not as fast as the top of the line cards, but look at the price. :D
Overclocking: I have seen this card get an extra 100mhz on core and even more just with stock cooling, slap a VGA silencer on this bad boy and you are set for anything Valve throws at you.

nVidia: Both the GeForce4 Ti4200 and the GeForce4 Ti4800 are both great cards to choose from. Somewhat more outdated than the early FX line, but this card still surpasses the FX5200s and then some.
Pros: Both cards will boast above average frame rates, and can still put a smile on your face with the newer games.
Cons: Not DX9. Although you can force the card to run in DX9, you wont get the added features of it.
Overclocking: Both cards are known to be overclocking Gods. With the Ti4200 known to reach Ti4800+ speeds on average, these two cards are a tag team that can push the limits on the 9800s.

If you want to spend less than $50 on a card, I don’t recommend it. I say save up until you can find a cheap Ti4200 or something along the lines. Most OCForum members will agree on this.



Designer Cards




Well, Toto, it looks like were not in Kansas anymore… Out of the playground we start to look into the big boy toys, so get on your drool bibs. These babies will push any OpenGL app out of the way and do it in style. And making your wallet non-existent…So you say to yourself, 3Ds who? Photoshopper? Wah? Where is my CS:S?! :cry: These cards are designed for the folks who do 3D render, AutoCAD, or any other types of graphic design, both on a 2D and 3D scale. And don’t get smart with me saying that this “3D” is really 2D because it is a 3D representation presented on a 2D screen. I will slap you. *Coughs* ANYWYAS…There are also two new contenders to the scene. 3DLabs as well as Matrox, so let the games begin!

If money is no object…

3DLabs: The Wildcat Realizm 800 PCI-E card is as good as it gets. Someone says to you, “I gotz da X800 n it has 256megabitz of memoryz!!1one” you have the bragging rights of slapping them and saying, “Well I have a Wildcat Realizm 800 PCI-E, and it has 640megabites of DDR3 memory.” You heard right folks. This card has 640megs of memory! This card will put your system memory to shame! So why so much memory? Easy. Memory allows us to view more textures without having to page the hard drive, thus keeping game performance running smoothly. But why so much?! Like I said, these are designer cards. And when you are trying to make your way around a 500,000+ polygon scene full of materials and refractions, it will put a serious strain on your normal gaming cards, but this puppy will blow through those viewports with ease.
Pros: 640megs of DDR3 memory, PCI-E, Dual Video Processing Units(VPUs), fully programmable graphic accelerators.
Cons: Noise. This card is very loud due to its dual VPUs, and long also. A blower on this card is designed to keep it cool and exhaust the hot air out of the case ala VGA Silencers. Price. Currently this card is pushing the $2500.00 range so it’s not for the faint of heart. Size, this card is very long, so if you’re someone who is running a workstation in a mid-size tower, do NOT expect this card to fit.
Overclocking: Well, overclocking is NOT recommended for designer cards unless you start to get into the lower budget cards that mainly double as gamer cards, but have great OpenGL capability. So until I hit those spots, I shall leave out the overclocking section.

ATi: The FireGL X3 comes to mind when I think 3D. Most gamer cards are designed for DirectX, but these cards are designed for OpenGL. Hence the “GL” in “FireGL”.
Pros: Much cheaper than the 3DLabs card, pushing the $800-850 range, these cards still pack a punch.
Cons: ATi is known for being weak in the OpenGL area. While the FireGL line is their attempt at making up for it, it still lags behind everyone else in most benchmarks.

Matrox: For these little guys, the Parhelia PH-A8X256 is their best card. Mainly geared towards photoshop and other 2D work, these cards are the best you can get for 2D.
Pros: 256megs of RAM really help this card zip through photoshop, while not the best for games and other 3D work, these cards are the 2D versions of the 3DLabs Realizm 800, the price is also great for these cards, ranging $500-550, these cards are an easy solution for magazine companies, as well as web designers.
Cons: NOT DX9 capable. While this isn’t a huge drawback to the card, it can still be a bad thing for the newer programs that are being designed for DX9.

nVidia: Finally a familiar face again. nVidia is known to be outstanding when it comes to workstation cards and OpenGL, which is why their lower line gamer cards are still used today as workstation cards. But there is also a specialized workstation card by nVidia that goes by the name “Quadro” which is why they own this spot with their Quadro FX3400 PCI-E.
Pros: PCI-E gives you the added bandwidth for textures, DX9, if needed to be, it can double as a gaming card, OpenGL Quad-Buffered Stereo! Ok, this confused many people, so let me try to explain it. Basically Stereoscopy is also known as “3D”, Virtual reality pretty much. Where there are two separate images layered on top of each other at different angles for your left and right eye, which tricks the user into thinking the image has depth, therefore adding the third dimension, or virtual reality. So what does this mean in short? This card has the capability to double as a virtual reality projector, adding that next step of technology to consumers.
Cons: If this card has any cons, it would be the price tag, while the price certainly fits the performance and features, some people still can’t fathom spending around $1200.00 for a workstation card.


This is still a work in progress, and I will finish this up when I gain my insanity back. Or are the pink hippos really there? Wait…what?

Avg
12-07-04, 11:04 PM
Ati just released the x850 series might want to add that. I'll look for more stuff to include. there is also the X800se
link to X800se: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-431&depa=1
link to X850 at Ati: http://mirror.ati.com/products/radeonx850/index.html

Cerberus2k7
12-07-04, 11:20 PM
Ahh...I didnt know the X850 was out yet. Thought that wasnt for another 2 weeks or so. I'll add that in a bit. Thanks. :D

Avg
12-07-04, 11:24 PM
I think it was released with the other cards, but I'll bet it's going to be a while before we see any of these for sale.

Spyd3r
12-07-04, 11:33 PM
Hey good write up man. But where's the 6600GT AGP as a good alternative to the 9800Pro?

Avg
12-07-04, 11:34 PM
Hey good write up man. But where's the 6600GT AGP as a good alternative to the 9800Pro?
It's there, the last card on the list.

Cerberus2k7
12-07-04, 11:39 PM
Yeah, and I think the 6600GT is PCI-E only

Avg
12-07-04, 11:43 PM
They are making 6600gt agp as well, they go for a little more then the pci-e version, and if you pay close attention to the agp version, there heat sink looks crooked and there is a smaller hs below it which is to cool the pci-e to agp bridge.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-150-080&depa=1

zabomb4163
12-08-04, 12:06 AM
"In the $250-350 range…
ATi: This can be a very odd choice for some people, because ATi has both an AGP as well as a PCI-E card that will fit this price range well. So here it goes…
•AGP: Goes to the 9800Pro 256mb 256bit."

mind linking some benchmarks of your 9800pro for me? I want to compare it to my 6800. I'd just like to see a benchmark the 9800 256 wins. thats all.

Spyd3r
12-08-04, 12:26 AM
It's there, the last card on the list.

I see the last card on the list as the 6600GT PCI-E not the AGP version..

Sorry I must be blind if it's up there.

Cerberus2k7
12-08-04, 12:31 AM
I just gave PCI-E as well as AGP because more and more people are going PCI-E, and I don't want to leave them out :p

Sentential
12-08-04, 12:35 AM
Sheesh! Bout damn time somone made a thread like this

STICKY!!!!!!

speed bump
12-08-04, 12:37 AM
Yeah why is the $250 to $350 range go to the 9800pro 256meg? I am pretty sure that a 6800LE or a 6800nu would be do alot better and you have a chance of unlocking atleast the 6 vertex shaders if not the other 4 pipes to get close to a GT.

By the way several people on the forums have done better than 2k more than any 9800pro has ever done in 3dmark03.

Cerberus2k7
12-08-04, 12:49 AM
Yeah why is the $250 to $350 range go to the 9800pro 256meg? I am pretty sure that a 6800LE or a 6800nu would be do alot better and you have a chance of unlocking atleast the 6 vertex shaders if not the other 4 pipes to get close to a GT.

By the way several people on the forums have done better than 2k more than any 9800pro has ever done in 3dmark03.

I'm adding ATi and nVidia options. I want this to be as unbias as possible.

Aslan
12-08-04, 03:06 AM
Sheesh! Bout damn time somone made a thread like this

STICKY!!!!!!

Agreed.

I second the idea of adding the 6800nu to the $250-350 range, but overall the guide is very well done. :)

CandymanCan
12-08-04, 03:27 AM
Only thing i notice that you can add in the Cons for the 6800's. All of them have a problem where the Video processor doesnt work. The 6600's solve this problem but to me that a big con on the 6800.


Also the 6600GT AGP is better then the 6800LE in terms of perormance in that price range.

In the 250-350$ range where is the 6800NU or the 6800GT 128mb.


I agree the thread should be sticky, i comend you for making a thread like this its just ganna have to be constantly updated, something i hope you are willing to do.

Cerberus2k7
12-08-04, 03:50 AM
Alright thanks. Starting on the revision and I shall be adding the 6600GT AGP as well as the 6800NU. And oh i'm willing. :D Learning too ^_^

CandymanCan
12-08-04, 03:52 AM
Thats cool, :D im almost certain this will be turned into a sticky just ask a mod.

Cerberus2k7
12-08-04, 04:03 AM
geh...completely left out the nV cards in that $250 section! :bang head oh well, at least I have some of my instanity back so I can keep pushing to get this puppy to the green light :D

NM, I got it all sorted. :D

CandymanCan
12-08-04, 04:18 AM
they just dont i dunno why tho, basicly it keeps the cpu from doing all the work when watching high qaulity movies, at least i think

Cerberus2k7
12-08-04, 04:38 AM
Ok, made a minor revision, added the 6600GT AGP, and 6800NU as well as some links. Linked your flashing the NUs thread CandyManCan, hope you don't mind :p

Spyd3r
12-08-04, 05:43 AM
:D Finally the 6600GT AGP is up eh. Good job on that revision. It's looking great now.

Cerberus2k7
12-08-04, 07:22 AM
Ok, last revision before I go to bed. Designer cards will hopefully be done tonight. Tis almost 5am :D

Avg
12-08-04, 02:37 PM
:D Finally the 6600GT AGP is up eh. Good job on that revision. It's looking great now.

I didn't notice you had said agp, my bad, sorry.

I vote for a sticky too.

Cerberus2k7
12-08-04, 05:39 PM
Revision 0.3 is up and running, added one section to the designer cards, now there are 4 cards to write about. :D

Cerberus2k7
12-10-04, 01:36 AM
Well no edits so far. Been a bit busy with the whole getting fired and losing the GF thing. That and I had to format! grr.....stupid windows corrupting my NIC! Anyways...Will update ASAP...after I get my new headunit installed tomorrow ^_^

rhino56
12-10-04, 02:31 AM
nice post man this should stay around :cool:

Ducatti
12-10-04, 05:23 PM
nice post man this should stay around :cool:
Definately, how many posts a month do we see in here asking "which card to buy?"..

I vote sticky..

Chixofnix
12-10-04, 09:27 PM
i vote to make it a front-page article... and sticky (if you really plan to keep this up-to-date on a regular basis)

Cerberus2k7
12-10-04, 09:29 PM
Yeah, I was thinking about making a 2 part article. 1 gamer and 1 designer

Overclocker550
12-10-04, 09:59 PM
were you up all night typing this? I will read it over again when im not so lazy. I think the 9700pro on ebay for $110 is the best deal for now. the x800se pci-e for $199 on ebay isnt bad either

Cerberus2k7
12-10-04, 10:31 PM
were you up all night typing this?

Yes. :D

I got...kinda.....bored..... :eh?:

subtotal
12-10-04, 11:18 PM
uh you might want to check some reviews on the 6600GT agp, it actually performs better than the 9800pro 256bit due to the 128bit interface being clocker significantly higher, overall the performance is roughly on par with the 9800XT, remember the 6600GT has GDDR3 clocked at 1000MHz!

galador
12-11-04, 12:39 AM
Definately sticky material. Very helpful.

Cerberus2k7
12-11-04, 10:21 PM
woohoo :D stuck! ^_^ Now back to the updatingness...

fldrice
01-13-05, 09:13 PM
9800NP is a 256-bit card. It's a 9800 pro with lower core clock and higher latencu memory. Your discription fits closer to the 9800se.

Ascii2
01-25-05, 11:10 PM
Why isn't the NVIDIA Quadro® FX 4400G listed under the designer cards?

Cerberus2k7
01-31-05, 06:22 AM
because this is still a WIP and i've been taking some time off to handle some stuff that is happening in my life so it hasnt been updated yet.

fldrice
01-31-05, 02:20 PM
Again, 9800NP is a 256-bit card...9800se is the 128-bit card.

Avg
01-31-05, 02:45 PM
there are a couple of 9800np that are 128bit mem.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-131-412&depa=1

fldrice
01-31-05, 05:22 PM
Those are like the SE but worse since they don't even have the bga memory. Back when the 9800 first came out, NP refered to the 256-bit underclocked Pro and SE refered to the 128-bit crippled 9800. But it's sad how the whole nomenclature is messed up because video card markers are attempting to liquidate their R350 supply.

RHARLE10
02-07-05, 05:11 PM
Awesome thread :clap:

T1Cybernetic
02-08-05, 11:54 PM
Nice post man im back on the market due to my second sapphire 9800pro blowing up on me for some unknown reason so
this will kinda help me out a fair bit as im completely clueless usualy when it comes to buying things like graphics cards, :D

If anyone has any recomendations of there own please feel free to shoot them in my direction...

Overclocker550
02-09-05, 02:33 AM
I was offered an x800xt for $350 with vmods and the works (from a friend) and it had decent clocks but I have only a few bucks in my paypal account plus no need for all this gpu power, expecially with only 2.25GHz of winchester pushing it. In a few years when I go pci-e ill ask one of my friends to sell me his x800xt or equivalent cheap and ill finally have a need for that gpu and a 4GHz a64 to back it up

shiyan
02-15-05, 08:08 AM
might be worth updating the ATI PCI-e entries to

X850XT PE
X800XL
X800

once they become more commonly available :)

AEsnowboarding
03-28-05, 09:28 PM
there are a couple of 9800np that are 128bit mem.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=14-131-412&depa=1


Yup the real 9800np is 256 bit. I know because I got one.

Anyway this thread needs to be updated!!!!

Cadmium77
04-05-05, 03:39 AM
So if I go with the Wildcat or Quadro Pro options because I really need to learn 3d graphics and I want the fastest card for the job but I still really want to play STALKER and LOMAC and RTW with the highest quality settings, will they both be able to handle it?

Will they play directx9 games as well as the x800 and the 6800u?

StormPC
04-21-05, 01:33 PM
might be worth updating the ATI PCI-e entries to

X850XT PE
X800XL
X800

once they become more commonly available :)

Ok, they're available now! :shrug: :cool:

fel
04-21-05, 02:36 PM
Very helpfull, I want to upgrade and now i know what to buy. :cool:

Cerberus2k7
06-01-05, 05:09 PM
Time for an overhaul so I will be making some modifications to this post throughout the next few days. Already got the beginning started.

Brood_Star
11-17-05, 07:37 AM
Updato?

Best Cards for No Budget
PCI-E NVidia: 7800GTX (512MB)
PCI-E ATI: x1800XT

$350-$450
PCI-E NVidia: 7800GTX (256MB)
PCI-E ATI: x1800XL
AGP ATI: x850XTPE

$250-$350
PCI-E NVidia: 7800GT
PCI-E ATI: x800GTO2 or x850XT
AGP NVidia: 6800GT
AGP ATI: X850XTk

$150-$250
PCI-E NVidia: 6800GS
PCI-E ATI: x850Pro
AGP NVidia: 6800nu
AGP ATI: x800Pro

$100-$150
PCI-E NVidia: 6600GT (128MB)
PCI-E ATI: x700Pro
AGP NVidia: 6600GT (128MB)
AGP ATI: 9800Pro

$50-$100
PCI-E NVidia: 6600LE
PCI-E ATI: x700
AGP NVidia: 6200 (256MB)
AGP ATI: 9800SE

bldegle2
11-17-05, 09:29 AM
"I think the 9700pro on ebay for $110 is the best deal for now."

hehe, the hardware wind always blows your way, no matter what everyone else thinks.

great list. there are a lot of good options out there.

baldy

wado1
12-04-05, 11:32 PM
can we get an update because I am looking into a new rig.

b1029384756
12-28-05, 02:31 PM
Well, considering that there hasn't been any real updates in a while, I figured I'd make a new one. I also did one of these here about a month and a half ago:
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=424767
I might do more of these later.
Edited to include PCI cards for those who are stuck with onboard graphics and no AGP/PCIe slots.


Money is no object:

PCIe nVidia: 7800GTX 512MB
No real competition here. As of now it's the best available. At about $750, it's also the most expensive. Two of these in SLI also beat the X1800XT with Crossfire.

PCIe ATI: X1800XT 512MB
Not quite as good as the 7800GTX 512, but if you want ATI, this one is clearly the best. Add the X1800 Crossfire if you can afford it. Also, if you actually do have a budget of some kind, this is only ~$550 as of now.

AGP nVidia: 6800 Ultra 256MB
If you're stuck with AGP, this is your best bet for an nVidia card. Because of this, prices have skyrocketed to absurd levels lately.

AGP ATI: See below for X850XT-PE.

PCI nVidia: See below for FX5600.

PCI ATI: See below for 9250.


$350-$450:

PCIe nVidia: 7800GTX 256MB
An easy decision. Not as good as the X1800XT but ATI can't compete at this price range for now.

PCIe ATI: Nothing as of now, since the X1800XL falls below this price range and the X1800XT is too high.

AGP nVidia: 6800GT 256MB
These, like the Ultras, are now absurdly expensive compared to the X850XT-PE, but if you need AGP and want an nVidia card but don't have the money for a 6800U, this will work.

AGP ATI: X850XT-PE 256MB
Prices have rose on these also, not nearly as bad as the Ultras, though. Buy this card if you have AGP and can afford it. Now is the time, as cost will only continue to soar. Look at the situation with the PCI FX5600 for another example of this.


$250-$350:

PCIe NVidia: 7800GT 256MB
A great buy. Not as good as the X1800XL but slightly cheaper.

PCIe ATI: X1800XL
Prices for these have been dropping lately and will probably continue to do so. The X850XT-PE or non-PE is a little bit cheaper, if you prefer that, but not nearly as good of a value.

AGP nVidia: 6800NU 256MB
All of the AGP 6800 series are ridiculous in price, and this is no exception. Avoid these unless you really hate ATI.

AGP ATI: X850XT 256MB
Comparable to the 6800U for half the price, but this is also climbing. They can usually clock to XT-PE speeds. You can also try the X800XT if you want to spend slightly less. It's still better than the 6800NU.

PCI nVidia: FX5600
When you can actually find it, expect to pay at least $300 for this, the fastest PCI card available.


$150-$250:

PCIe nVidia: 6800GT 256MB
Falling prices for this due to the 7800 series have now made it to buy this for under $250. Go for it, or the 6800GS (really the better bargain of the two) if you prefer the lower end of this price range.

PCIe ATI: X800XL 256MB
X800XL still reigns supreme here on the ATI side but falls short of the 6800GT. X800GTO² prices have also fallen, making it possible to buy one and unlock to X850XT-PE if you want to take the risk.

AGP nVidia: 6800NU 128MB
Given the absurdly high price of the 6800 AGP cards lately, this is as good as you'll get. The 256-bit memory bus puts it ahead of the 6600GT.

AGP ATI: X850 Pro 256MB
Prices on these have fallen. This is damn near as good as the X800XL, and certainly leaps and bounds ahead of nVidia's offering here.


$100-$150:

PCIe nVidia: 6600GT 128MB
Prices on these are relatively stable, still a good deal for a budget card.

PCIe ATI: X800GTO 128MB
Grab this one. Much faster than the 6600GT in every possible way. As with other PCIe card, new generation hardware has forced retailers to cut the prices on these.

AGP nVidia: 6600GT 128MB
As with the PCIe, these are a great deal and an easy choice for this price range and interface.

AGP ATI: X700 Pro 128MB
If you insist on ATI, this beats the 9800 Pro, especially in DX9, but falls short of the 6600GT.


$50-$100:

PCIe nVidia: 6600NU 256MB
256MB models are still under $100 now and this is still acceptable. The 128MB NU or LE are considerations for the lower end of this price range.

PCIe ATI: X700 Pro 128MB
Cheaper than the AGP version, still offering sub-6600GT performance but better than the plain 6600. Choose this unless you really need the extra memory or don't like ATI.

AGP nVidia: 6600NU 128MB
Prices on these have come down quite a bit, finally allowing users with a budget in this range to buy it. It's better than the 9600XT as well.

AGP ATI: 9600XT 256MB
These are an option if you refuse to use nVidia, but won't perform as well.

PCI nVidia: FX5500 256MB
They're cheap, are DX9 capable (albeit with horrible performance). This would be my choice here.

PCI ATI: 9250 256MB
Slower than the FX5500 and only DX8.1, only choose this if you hate nVidia.


Under $50:

PCIe nVidia: 6200TC 64MB
The PCX5300 is unfortunately now too expensive. If you have enough (~512MB+) reasonably fast system memory (DDR, DDR2 or Rambus), these will do okay. They support up to 256MB. Avoid at all costs the 16MB version with its 32-bit memory bus.

PCIe ATI: X300SE 128MB
Bad performance, but having sufficient onboard memory usually makes this a better choice than the 6200TC series, unless your system memory is extremely fast.

AGP nVidia: FX5500 128MB
Just a slightly faster FX5200, but unfortunately the 6200 series is out of our budget here.

AGP ATI: 9550 128MB
Prices on the 9600NP have rose too much, but this is similar to it and better than the FX5500. Avoid the SE version with its 64-bit bus.

PCI nVidia: FX5200 128MB
Roughly equal performance to the MX440 with DX9 capability. Can't really go wrong here.

PCI ATI: 7000 64MB
Horrible performance and only DX7. This card is now about five years old and was a budget card back then. However, the 8500/9200 series is too expensive.

David Coleman
01-01-06, 10:20 AM
Time for an update!

b1029384756
01-08-06, 01:32 PM
Here's an update, not too many big changes. I picked several cards in most of the price ranges this time to narrow it down a bit for those with a more specific budget.


Money is no object:

PCIe nVidia: 7800GTX 512MB * 2 SLI (~$1500), 7800GTX 256MB * 2 SLI (~$900), 7800GTX 512MB (~$750), 7800GT * 2 SLI (~$600)
There's a lot of choices here depending on how much you really want to spend and what the capabilities of your mainboard are. The 7800GTX 512MB is the best card available, beating the X1800XT. Two of them will beat X1800XT with Crossfire.

PCIe ATI: X1800XT and X1800 Crossfire (~$1050), X1800XT 512MB (~$500)
Not quite as good as the 7800GTX 512, but if you want ATI, this one is clearly the best. Add the X1800 Crossfire if you can afford it.

AGP nVidia: 6800 Ultra 256MB (~$500)
This is as good as it gets for nVidia. Unless you insist on nVidia, the X850XT-PE is better and cheaper than this.

AGP ATI: See below for X850XT-PE.

PCI nVidia: See below for FX5600.

PCI ATI: See below for 9250.


$350-$450:

PCIe nVidia: 7800GTX 256MB (~$450)
An easy decision. Not as good as the X1800XT but ATI can't compete at this price range for now.

PCIe ATI: Nothing as of now, since the X1800XL falls below this price range and the X1800XT is too high.

AGP nVidia: For now, there's nothing in this range due to the fact that the 6800 Ultra is still much more than this (and probably will remain so), and the 6800GT is slightly cheaper.

AGP ATI: X850XT-PE 256MB (~$400)
Buy this card if you have AGP and can afford it. You won't find anything better than this, and prices will probably only rise for these.


$250-$350:

PCIe NVidia: 7800GT 256MB (~$300)
A great buy. Not as good as the X1800XL but slightly cheaper.

PCIe ATI: X1800XL 256MB (~$350)
Prices are remaining steady on the X1800XL for now.

AGP nVidia: 6800GT 256MB (~$330)
Prices on the 6800GT have fallen slightly due to the release of the 6800GS. Go with the X800XT-PE instead.

AGP ATI: X800XT-PE 256MB (~$350), X800XT AIW 256MB (~$280)
The X850XT is now ridiculously expensive. The XT-PE is only slightly faster, but also consider that the AIW version of the X800XT can render many aftermarket cooling solutions incompatible.

PCI nVidia: FX5600 256MB
When you can actually find it (on eBay, probably), expect to pay at least $300 for this, the best PCI card available.


$150-$250:

PCIe nVidia: 6800GT 256MB (~$250), 6800GS (~$200)
Falling prices for this due to the 7800 series have now made it to buy the 6800GT for under $250, but it still isn't as good as the X850XT. The 6800GS should be better than the X800XL, though.

PCIe ATI: X850XT 256MB (~$250), X800XL 256MB (~$200)
Prices on the X850XT have dropped. Don't even bother taking a chance with an X800GTO² anymore.

AGP nVidia: 6800GS 256MB (~$220), 6800NU 128MB (~$190)
The release of the 6800GS in AGP makes the 6800NU a bad deal now.

AGP ATI: X850 Pro 256MB (~$240)
This is still not a bad deal, but now you'd be better off with the 6800GS.



$100-$150:

PCIe nVidia: 6600GT 128MB (~$130)
Prices on these are relatively stable, still a good deal for a budget card.

PCIe ATI: X800GTO 128MB (~$130)
Grab this one. Much faster than the 6600GT in every possible way. As with other PCIe card, new generation hardware has forced retailers to cut the prices on these.

AGP nVidia: 6800XT 128MB (~$140)
These are a great deal and an easy choice for this price range and interface.

AGP ATI: X700 Pro 256MB (~$150), 9800 Pro 128MB (~$120)
256MB versions of the X700 Pro are a bit cheaper now. I'd still avoid it.


$50-$100:

PCIe nVidia: 6600NU 256MB (~$100), 6200 128MB (~$70)
The 6600 are cheap enough to be a decent deal, but the prices on the PCIe 6200 have soared recently.

PCIe ATI: X700 Pro 128MB (~$100), X600 Pro 128MB (~$80)
The X700 Pro offers more than the 6600NU. Choose this unless you really need the extra memory or don't like ATI.

AGP nVidia: 6600NU 128MB (~$100), 6200 128MB (~$70)
Prices on the 6600 have come down quite a bit, finally allowing users with a budget in this range to buy it. It's better than the 9600XT as well. I'd pick a 9600XT over a 6200, though.

AGP ATI: 9600XT 256MB (~$80), 9600 Pro 128MB (~$60)
These are an option if you refuse to use nVidia, but won't perform as well.

PCI nVidia: FX5500 256MB (~$80), FX5700LE 128MB (~$60)
They're cheap, are DX9 capable (albeit with horrible performance). These would be my choice here. If you go with the lower-performing FX5700LE, make sure it has a 128-bit memory bus.

PCI ATI: 9250 256MB (~$65)
Slower than the FX5500 and only DX8.1, only choose this if you hate nVidia. Avoid the SE version.


Under $50:

PCIe nVidia: 6200TC 64MB (~$50), 6200TC 16MB (~$40)
The PCX5300 is unfortunately now too expensive. If you have enough (~512MB+) reasonably fast system memory (DDR, DDR2 or Rambus), these will do okay. They support up to 256MB. Avoid at all costs the 16MB version with its 32-bit memory bus.

PCIe ATI: X300SE 128MB (~$40)
Bad performance, but having sufficient onboard memory usually makes this a better choice than the 6200TC series, unless your system memory is extremely fast.

AGP nVidia: FX5500 128MB (~$50), FX5200 128MB (~$35), MX440 64MB (~$25)
The 5500 is just a faster FX5200, but unfortunately the 6200 series is out of our budget here. Avoid the MX440 if you can, since it's DX7.

AGP ATI: 9550 128MB (~$50), 9550SE 128MB (~$40), 9250 128MB (~$30), 7000 64MB (~$20)
This is still your best bet. Avoid the SE version with its 64-bit bus if you can afford to. The 9250 is only DX8.1 and the 7000 is DX7, so, if you can, avoid those for compatibility issues.

PCI nVidia: FX5200 128MB (~$50), MX440 64MB (~$35)
These are of roughly equal performance, but the FX5200 has DX9 capability where the MX440 is only DX7. Can't really go wrong there.

PCI ATI: 7500 64MB (~$50), 7000 64MB (~$30)
These cards are now over five years old and leaves you stuck with DX7. However, the 8500/9200 series is too expensive. The 7000 is much slower and lacks hardware T&L, avoid it if you can.

the garynator
01-09-06, 12:14 AM
Good article, i'm glad someone's keeping this thread alive.

Cerberus2k7
01-09-06, 10:38 PM
Ok guys, sorry for the lack of updates. Still having issues and lack of computer time but that should be improving now. Thanks for the unofficial updates and i'll start looking everything over and mixing it into the main post. And thanks for the PMs. :D

Cerberus2k7
01-17-06, 04:14 AM
Ok guys, I made a little addon that might also help Rhino. ;) I am going to start adding the cores for the cards also. Now, on the NV4x, I don't know what the x is so if anyone can chime in that would be great. Thanks. :)

b1029384756
01-17-06, 08:05 PM
Ok guys, I made a little addon that might also help Rhino. ;) I am going to start adding the cores for the cards also. Now, on the NV4x, I don't know what the x is so if anyone can chime in that would be great. Thanks. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_9700_core
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_X_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_X1000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_FX
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_6_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_7_Series

That should be good for all ATI/nVidia DX9 GPUs. Though it doesn't say in the article, X1800* is R520, X1600* is RV530, and X1300* is RV515.

Cerberus2k7
01-18-06, 04:28 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_9700_core
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_X_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_X1000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_FX
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_6_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_7_Series

That should be good for all ATI/nVidia DX9 GPUs. Though it doesn't say in the article, X1800* is R520, X1600* is RV530, and X1300* is RV515.

Thanks for the links. :)

papercutout
03-09-06, 02:02 PM
ignore this dude, i posted the wrong thing in, the realised i am a muppet...
nice thread tho, thanks for the links, useful!

OSGentoo
04-20-06, 12:56 AM
a few months ago i purchased an asus nvidia 6800xt 128 agp card from newegg and wow, this thing overclocks insane, i have been running it at 421/860 (300/700 stock) at stock voltages. I i tried unlocking the pixil pipelines but no dice... major artifacts, however i was successful at unlocking the vertex shaders to 6 and i am quite impressed with the performance.

I am aware that ATI has a couple cards that are slightly faster at a similar price point but i really don't like ATI for 2 reasons, first, because i think their drivers stink, i've had a few ati cards and while the card performed well, it locked up all the time and that was with a few different motherboards (running xp).
Secondly, while i do have windows xp pro sp2 installed on a small 20 gb partition, i don't remember the last time i actually used it other then for benchmarking (been a couple years). anyway, ati's linux an bsd drivers suck, if you are outside the windows realm, nvidia kicks all sorts of ati butt.

Within the Windows world, my personal experience has been that ATI is slightly faster 65% of the time but 80% of them time nvidia has more solid drivers.

if you are like me and run linux or bsd 99.95% of the time, nvidia is the only way to go, the drivers simply ahinilate the competition. An x800xt could get it's arce handed to it on a silver platter by a nvidia 5600 in linux..... the drivers are that far supperior.

Douken
07-05-06, 11:16 AM
this sticky needs some update

NoKtEm
02-27-07, 11:54 PM
This sticky REALLY needs some updating now :)

Hazaro
04-29-07, 03:22 PM
Seriously.

xam5
05-27-07, 11:15 AM
Update Now!

fritzman
09-26-07, 09:19 PM
I am looking for a new card, but sadly... this sticky is way out of date. Great idea, and would have been really helpful.

An update would be really nice.

B

WoW_STORM
11-13-07, 02:36 AM
This is one of the best write ups on here in a long time.

vivsin
11-23-07, 05:28 AM
I want Evga 8600
http://www.amazon.com/eVGA-e-GeForce-8600-Superclocked-Graphics/dp/B000PHABJ8/ref=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1195813584&sr=1-21

but not available in my country :(

ian2000gsxr
03-12-08, 12:46 PM
great thread

freakdiablo
03-12-08, 12:54 PM
Do I have alot of money to spend on upgrades? No. But its ok, Im fine with mid range stuff (the 8800GT is actually my first higher end graphics card, only other card that came close to high end was an x700pro 3 or 4 years ago.)

RSDXzec
11-07-08, 09:43 PM
You dont need lotsa money to get a good Video card, just try ebay or shopbot.com.au, shopbot shows you all the prices for the item you want from lots of different stores, you can pick the cheapest one anfd buy it.

Senshido
10-17-09, 11:07 PM
The video card is one of the areas in my computer that I would definitely put extra cash in, after all that is one of the main things that affects the performance of games and videos.