19" LCD ~ 1600x1200? [Archive] - Overclockers Forums

Graphicism

09-24-04, 12:31 PM

I'm searching for a 19" LCD screen at 1600x1200 ~ they all seem to be 1024x768?

It's 19" wouldn't 1024x768 be like 800x600 on a 17" monitor?

They seem to make all these laptops for the partially sighted... the idea of getting a 19" LCD is so I can see the full canvas plus my tools when designing.

I have a budget of $500

Any help on this subject is much appreciated.

nissmo300

09-24-04, 12:43 PM

i think the 1600x1200 begins at 20" and up LCDs but trust me you wont find any 1600x1200 LCD resolutions below $500. Your best bet if you really want 1600x1200 and dont want to spend over $800 for one go with a box monitor.

I.M.O.G.

09-24-04, 12:56 PM

1280x1024 (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=24-103-184&DEPA=1)

Where are you finding these 19" LCD's with 1024x768 native resolution?

I also agree that your price range dictates a CRT for what you are looking for.

Here are some examples of prices you are looking at to find what you are asking for:

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-006-075&depa=1

nissmo300

09-24-04, 01:00 PM

If you want a 19" 1280x1024 LCD, then yes you can find one for the price you listed BUT if you want a 1600x1200 good luck becuase the cheapest ones on newegg start around $800.

Graphicism

09-24-04, 02:36 PM

tom10167

09-24-04, 03:21 PM

16x12 on a 17" would probably just be to small to be deemed practical.

Vrykyl

09-24-04, 04:02 PM

I bought my 20.1" dell 2001fp on ebay brand new for £500 (about the cost of a goodish 19" tft over here, and about half the dell uk asking price for one) and its amazing!!! the best 1600x1200 monitor iv ever owned!!

Nero

09-24-04, 04:05 PM

16x12 on a 17" would probably just be to small to be deemed practical.

You think that's bad? Try the WUXGA (full 1080p 1920x1080) in a 15.4" format found on Dell laptops. It's squint-tastic. :p

BTW: We're talking about 19" LCDs, not 17"

Timelessblur

09-24-04, 06:18 PM

Yeah I did mean 1280x1024 which is what I run my 19" CRT at (17" viewable)

I thought LCDs were supposed to be good, but the resolution is crap? You would think 1600x1200 would be standard on even the 17" inch displays, 1280x1024 on 19" is rediculous!

I know I can get a 20/21" sony for $800 plus that has 1600x1200, but there is no need for the extra inches of money.

LCD have a native reslotion. You dont see many CRTs that can pull the 1600x1200. Plus would you want to run your desktop at that res? I know i wouldnt. it would make everything to tiny.

17" and 19" have a native resetions at 1280x1024. a 17in LCD has about the viewble space of a 19CRT (normal just a tad less) for the res you are looking at you need at least a minmual of a 20" LCD.

I.M.O.G.

09-24-04, 08:02 PM

I run at 1600x1200 at work every day... I think the trinitron CRT is 19 inches. Things are smallish, but very clear to read, and there is a lot of space to work on the desktop.

Graphicism

09-25-04, 05:18 PM

I think few of you know actualy how big a 19" LCD is, it's roughly the size of a 21" CRT. 1600x1200 on 21" is similar to 800x600 on 14" - do you see what I am getting it? 1600x1200 on a 19" LCD is not the squint like unpractical display you say it is, but normal/below normal for that size of display.

1280x1024 on a 19" LCD/21" CRT has go to be like 800x600 on a 17" CRT - who here uses 800x600 on a 17" monitor?

I've gotta look at these 19" LCDs, they have go to go higher, otherwise I will get a 17" if they are the same res - absolutely ZERO point in getting a 19" and paying $200 if the screen size doesn't change.

Liquid_Cooled

09-25-04, 05:49 PM

well Graphicism, they probably have a very good reason for not making 19" LCD's with 1600x1200. whether it be that it just doesnt look good at that res, LCD technology just cant fit that many pixels on 19", etc....

Its only your opinion that a 19" isnt worth the extra $200. i think its well worth it. your are paying the extra $200 for a BIGGER screen.

I own a Sony 19" LCD SDM-HS94P (12ms) and i think the screen resolution (1280x1024) is PERFECT. 1280x1024 on a 19" LCD is NOT crap, its perfect, and you say that a 17" should be at least 1600x1200? hahaha, no. i had a NEC 19" CRT, and 1600x1200 was WAY too tiny for me. i dont want to squint everytime i look at my monitor. I use to run my 19" CRT at 1024x768 becuase i like it that way.

Graphicism

09-25-04, 06:12 PM

17" - 19" is the same resolution, so its the same size, the only noticable difference would be that on the 17" it would look a lot crisper.

"i had a NEC 19" CRT, and 1600x1200 was WAY too tiny for me." Yes I would agree with you, but a 19" CRT is not the same as a 19" LCD, it's roughly the size of a 17" LCD.

If someone knows how to do the math, I bet 1600x1200 on 21" would be the same as 800x600 on a 14/15" CRT.

warlock110

09-25-04, 07:06 PM

Timelessblur

09-26-04, 02:22 AM

we are pretty much talking about view area here, and yes CRT view area is not as big as LCD, what the guy is trying to say is that most people run their
17" CRT @ 1024x768
Therefore 15" LCD should be @ 1024x768 since they have the same viewing area

17" LCD is as big as 19" CRT and as the guy point out "i had a NEC 19" CRT, and 1600x1200 was WAY too tiny for me" if we taking this as the true

then 19" LCD should be as big as 21" CRT and yes at the size of 1600x1200 this is no longer small :)

in summary we've jump 2 sizes in screen for 1 additional size of resolution, IMO i think that it should be 1 size screen for 1 size resolution :) theoriticaly 19" LCD is big enough for 1600 X 1200. and since they don't have it buy the 17" n save money.

To tell you the truth I run the 17in CRT at home at 1280x1024 and my 17 LCD here at school at 1280x1024. I dont find it really that much smaller and it looks really pretty good. I have a 15in CRT here with me run at 1024x786 and it looks really pretty good. The screen is about the size of my laptop screen with runs at that size and everything is about the right size. Size wise a 17LCD and 17CRT are a lot closer in size than one things. Personly I find a 17in CRT to be closer in size to a 17LCD then a 15LCD Personly I think 15in LCD are to small for my taste but they are very useable. Now the CRT that size is way to tiny

Ad Rock

09-26-04, 05:00 AM

BTW: We're talking about 19" LCDs, not 17"

I believe Tom was refering to how Graph said that even 17" LCD's should be 16x12. Just wanted to clear that up :p.

Graphicism

09-26-04, 12:18 PM

I believe Tom was refering to how Graph said that even 17" LCD's should be 16x12. Just wanted to clear that up :p.

No, 19" LCDs should be 1600x1200 - anyone who has a 19" LCD any lower must be partialy blind, or sit atleast 20 foot away from the screen.

Khasra

09-26-04, 01:17 PM

No, 19" LCDs should be 1600x1200 - anyone who has a 19" LCD any lower must be partialy blind, or sit atleast 20 foot away from the screen.

No 19" LCD goes 1600x1200, so I guess all 19" LCD users are "partialy" (sic) blind? I mean, feel free to have your own opinions but declaring that anyone else who has a different opinion must be "partialy" blind is quite a narrow-minded view.

Personally, I feel that even at 20" 1600x1200 is a bit too small, which is why I've avoided the 20" LCDs for personal use. I used to have a pair of the 20" at a prior job, but I always had the font turned up.

Besides, your math is off. A 21" LCD at 1600x1200 isn't anywhere even close to a 14" LCD at 800x600 - you're off by 25%. A quick perusal of pixel "size" for various screen sizes at different resolutions reveals that a 19" LCD at 1280x1024 is about the same as 15" LCD at 1024x768 (the 19"-1280x1024 is actually 1% smaller). Meanwhile, a 20" LCD at 1600x1200 already has 9% smaller pixel "size" than a 14" LCD at 1024x768. A 19" LCD at 1600x1200 is 15% smaller than the 14"-1024x768.

You can easily do these calculations yourself using a little math, dividing screen size (14", 15" etc.) by the pixel "hypotenuse" (sqrt of, total horizontal pixels squared plus total vertical pixels squared). And hopefully, you will choose to verify your beliefs in the future before labeling an entire segment of users as "partialy" blind.

Liquid_Cooled

09-26-04, 01:22 PM

Timelessblur

09-26-04, 03:12 PM

That and you need to reliezed that a 21" CRT normaly has over an in of viewble space on a 19in LCD. I tend to find a vaste majority of people run there 19 in CRT at 1240x1024. To give you an idea of viewble space's 17in LCD is 17 in. 19inCRT has 18in viewble and a 19 lCD is 19in. 21in CRT is around 20in of viewble, and so on.

That might just help on the numbers. I dont think a 19in monitor is quite large enough to go all the way to 1600x1200 with out geting over 100pix per in which is about as close as you can get with out having thing getting to small

Nero

09-26-04, 06:13 PM

its YOUR opoinion that 19" LCD's should be 1600x1200. i think they are PERFECT at 1280x1024. not everyone does graphic design, so we dont need such high resolutions. alot of us are gamers, so alot of our rigs cant handle 1600x1200 smoothly. period.

Yes, but this thread was started because someone had specific needs, and wanted to know if anyone could help him find a product that met them. As you said, there are people who need 1600x1200, and so you're not helping the OP by arguing with him (or other posters) about the matter.

I.M.O.G.

09-26-04, 07:17 PM

No, 19" LCDs should be 1600x1200 - anyone who has a 19" LCD any lower must be partialy blind, or sit atleast 20 foot away from the screen.

Post a link for me to a good selection of 1600x1200 19" LCD computer displays.

Graphicism

09-26-04, 09:38 PM

Post a link for me to a good selection of 1600x1200 19" LCD computer displays.

I have yet to find any which is why I opened this thread.

I am saying they SHOULD be 1600x1200, just like 14" should be 800x600

Ask yourself why the latest 17" Laptop with PCIE is only WXGA ~ It's because they are cutting corners, catering to the blind and hoping people don't know what they are buying.

EDIT: As Nero so rightly pointed out I am looking for 1600x1200 and need that for my work - if this can't be obtained via a 19" LCD screen then they are pretty crap?

I.M.O.G.

09-26-04, 10:15 PM

I see... I thought you knew some existed, because I have not seen a single 19" display anywhere which features the resolution you are looking for.

Khasra

09-26-04, 10:22 PM

Ask yourself why the latest 17" Laptop with PCIE is only WXGA ~ It's because they are cutting corners, catering to the blind and hoping people don't know what they are buying.

Maybe because pixel size 1366x768 is within 1% of the pixel size of 14" 1024x768? I mean, for someone making blanket statements about all LCD users being blind, you sure don't want to do any math to prove to yourself how ridiculous your statements are.

As I said in my post, 19" 1600x1200 is nowhere even close to 14" 800x600. You're off by a whopping 25%.

Liquid_Cooled

09-26-04, 10:57 PM

to answer your original question, their is NO 19" LCD with a native res of 1600x1200 for ~$500. but if you still INSIST on there being one out there, good luck trying to find it. :rolleyes:

I have yet to find any which is why I opened this thread.

I am saying they SHOULD be 1600x1200, just like 14" should be 800x600

Ask yourself why the latest 17" Laptop with PCIE is only WXGA ~ It's because they are cutting corners, catering to the blind and hoping people don't know what they are buying.

EDIT: As Nero so rightly pointed out I am looking for 1600x1200 and need that for my work - if this can't be obtained via a 19" LCD screen then they are pretty crap?

19" LCD's should be 1600x1200 according to YOU, but not everyone thinks like you.

So if you cant obtain a 19" LCD with that res, all other 19" LCD's are crap? wow..... someone is opinionated.

and dont call other people who use 19" LCD's w/o your "ideal" res blind.

Liquid_Cooled

09-26-04, 10:59 PM

next time when you make a post Graphicism, dont type like you assume that everyone thinks like you. instead, type "in my opinion.....", that way, you wont get anyone mad.

hafa

09-26-04, 11:51 PM

...catering to the blind...

As a person with a visual disability, I find your continuing allusions to the inferiority of those thus afflicted highly offensive. Please try to be more considerate.

Graphicism

09-27-04, 12:14 AM

I said "I'm searching for a 19" LCD screen at 1600x1200 ~ they all seem to be 1024x768?"
In reply I get "I see... I thought you knew some existed"

Dude, you yourself need to be on a 19" LCD at 800x600.

Has anyone here actually looked at a 19" LCD at 1280 res? I did today and I can tell you it's like 800x600 on a 17" CRT. Has anyone looked at 1280 res on a 21" CRT? I don't think anyone here is speaking from experience, apart from the few that also have the need for high res (workers, not gamers).

I have had to go in-store to look at these and can tell you, 1600x1200 is only available on 20.1" monitors - they are the same size (so the guy in comp usa went on to say) but run at the correct resolution.

Therefore 19" LCD is some what of a gimmick to make people pay hundreds more than an extra few inch, but no more resolution.

I'm not trying to push anything on anyone, this is of course my opinion ~ no need to wonder from the path.

Graphicism

09-27-04, 12:19 AM

As a person with a visual disability, I find your continuing allusions to the inferiority of those thus afflicted highly offensive. Please try to be more considerate.

I apologize, I did not once mean to be offensive - simply stated that the large screen with low res was catering to those with visual disability's, much like guide dogs are for the blind, this statement isn't offensive.

penquissciguy

09-27-04, 01:00 AM

Has anyone here actually looked at a 19" LCD at 1280 res?

Yes, as I'd imagine most of the people trying to help you out here have.

I did today and I can tell you it's like 800x600 on a 17" CRT. Has anyone looked at 1280 res on a 21" CRT? I don't think anyone here is speaking from experience, apart from the few that also have the need for high res (workers, not gamers).

I think you'll find that a lot of the people here are either in your profession and use similar equipment to what you use or buy the best monitors they can afford and have experimented with higher resolutions for various reasons. I for one see a large size difference between a 17" CRT at 800x600 and a 19" LCD at 1280x1024.

I have had to go in-store to look at these and can tell you, 1600x1200 is only available on 20.1" monitors - they are the same size (so the guy in comp usa went on to say) but run at the correct resolution.

It seems you've done your homework trying to find the monitor you want and have come up short. What puzzles me here is that there are monitors that can be had for around your price range that have much better color production than LCDs with the correct resolution and you have ruled them out for whatever reason.

Therefore 19" LCD is some what of a gimmick to make people pay hundreds more than an extra few inch, but no more resolution.

If all monitors were being sold to graphics designers, perhaps. Some people prefer to have a larger monitor to make things larger overall.

I'm not trying to push anything on anyone, this is of course my opinion ~ no need to wonder from the path.

I think you've got your answer here. Several people here have told you that the animal you seek does not exist, let alone at your price point. A hint to you, as you seem to be new here. Some of the stuff you've been saying here is inflammatory, whether you mean it to be or not. A little more thought on your part about how you express yourself would be appreciated.

Ken

warlock110

09-27-04, 02:54 AM

its YOUR opoinion that 19" LCD's should be 1600x1200. i think they are PERFECT at 1280x1024. not everyone does graphic design, so we dont need such high resolutions. alot of us are gamers, so alot of our rigs cant handle 1600x1200 smoothly. period.

ok, gotta admid, he's right on the topic there, it is so true that most of ust don't use 1600 X 1200, just a typical practical use that we use smaller resolution.

Liquid_Cooled

09-28-04, 12:24 AM

hahaha

zip22

09-28-04, 12:38 AM

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Graphicism

09-28-04, 10:00 AM

ok, gotta admid, he's right on the topic there, it is so true that most of ust don't use 1600 X 1200, just a typical practical use that we use smaller resolution.

Isn't that what the tread was all about ~ my opinion? I'm not trying to push any of you to use 1600x1200 - I need 1600x1200 for my work, helps to see a full canvas plus tools.

So your's and 'Liquid_Cooled' comments on my opion, PERFECT at 1280x1024, not graphic designers, alot of us are gamers and your saying he's right is being simple-minded.

Just let it rest my adolescent friends, I'm right your wrong! :clap:

Thanks for the link zip22 $225 off a 20" sounds like a sweet deal ~ not sure if I want Dell tho.

Graphicism

09-28-04, 10:01 AM

Have none of you played or wanted to play Doom3 or FarCry at 1600x1200?

Khasra

09-28-04, 01:06 PM

So your's and 'Liquid_Cooled' comments on my opion, PERFECT at 1280x1024, not graphic designers, alot of us are gamers and your saying he's right is being simple-minded.

Just let it rest my adolescent friends, I'm right your wrong! :clap:

Actually, as I've shown in my pixel size calculations, your opinion has no basis; every claim you've made with regard to pixel size comparisons is off (by as much as 25%). You have also chosen not to respond to any of my calculations. This ignorance, coupled with your insistence on labeling all LCD users as "blind", has moved you into the troll category.

Graphicism

09-28-04, 03:14 PM

Actually, as I've shown in my pixel size calculations, your opinion has no basis; every claim you've made with regard to pixel size comparisons is off (by as much as 25%). You have also chosen not to respond to any of my calculations. This ignorance, coupled with your insistence on labeling all LCD users as "blind", has moved you into the troll category.

I've always been told, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it. So I kept quiet.

Perhaps my comparison to 800x600 on a 14"/15" was incorrect - I don't remember these size screens having sharp resolution even at those sizes.

Would I be right in this estimate?

CRT 14" = 800x600
CRT 15" = 1024x768
CRT 17" = 1024x768 / 1280x1024
CRT 19" = 1280x1024
CRT 21" = 1600x1200

I use a 19" CRT at home currently and find this a little too big for 1280x1024 yet a little small for 1600x1200. At work I use(d) a 21" CRT at 1600x1200 and was perfect - which led to this thread. I think it would be hard to comment if you use your computer mainly for gaming, as it has little difference - for me however and my use, I notice the difference.

I never said all LCD users are blind, I said to have 1280x1024 on a 19" LCD (21" CRT) you must be blind. On top of that you don't have to take everything literally.

I already have the thread answered, I found the answer to be 1600x1200 are deemed 20.1" monitors, same size, new price tag :)

Stop nit-picking and digging up old dirt, now who's the troll?

Khasra

09-28-04, 03:43 PM

You don't NEED to estimate. I already did all the math for you, and I posted the comparisons in this thread. I even showed you HOW to do the math so you can do it yourself. But you simply refuse to, preferring to remain ignorant.

I never said all LCD users are blind, I said to have 1280x1024 on a 19" LCD (21" CRT) you must be blind.

Actually, what you said is that if anyone used less than 1600x1200 at 19" they must be blind. As I've shown, every single common standalone LCD size - from 14" 1024 to 17" 1280 to 20" 1600 - has a LARGER pixel size than what 1600x1200 would be at 19". Therefore, you referred to every LCD user as blind.

The fact that you continue to ignore facts placed on the table proves you are a troll. Accusing me of "nit-picking" is ludiculous given that I am addressing the FACTS that you refuse to acknowledge. And until you retract your fallacious and insensitive remark referring to all LCD users as blind, it cannot be considered "old dirt".

Liquid_Cooled

09-28-04, 03:49 PM

eh, no point in arguing or trying to correct Graphicism anymore. there will always be ignorant people out there.

Graphicism

09-28-04, 04:01 PM

My estimate showed you the size res people in general use on a screen size.

As I said 800x600 on 14" never was sharp - work out your calculations to 1024x768 on 14", then we will see closer how far off either of us are.

I'm not ignoring any of YOUR facts, I am reading and commenting.

"retract your fallacious and insensitive remark referring to all LCD users as blind" Didn't I do that?

I didn't refer to every LCD user as blind, now your making things up and looking quite silly, even your friend in their politest tone are asking you to stop your nonsense.

When I say stop nit-picking and digging up old dirt - that means just that.

warlock110

09-28-04, 05:11 PM

Isn't that what the tread was all about ~ my opinion? I'm not trying to push any of you to use 1600x1200 - I need 1600x1200 for my work, helps to see a full canvas plus tools.

So your's and 'Liquid_Cooled' comments on my opion, PERFECT at 1280x1024, not graphic designers, alot of us are gamers and your saying he's right is being simple-minded.

Just let it rest my adolescent friends, I'm right your wrong! :clap:

Thanks for the link zip22 $225 off a 20" sounds like a sweet deal ~ not sure if I want Dell tho.

i think we should just end this :), what i'm trying to say is that I agree with you that 1600 X 1200 is a good resolution for a 19" LCD since it's viewing area is a little bigger than a 19" CRT, but in practical use we don't do that since it's harder to work on because the space is so large, that's just my opinion, those 2 things, 1 is practical use, 1 is an estimate, totally different.
and wow i'm getting called simple minded for stating my opinion? i could say the same to you.

Dylruss

09-29-04, 04:48 PM

I too have never seen anything on an LCD 19" or less do 1600x1200, and I to wish that they had a 19" LCD that did that resolution.

Although I disagree with many here when they say that 1600x1200 on a 19" crt is way too small, I believe it to be optimal. But of course that is my personal opinion, everyone is different in what they want out of a monitor.

tom10167

09-30-04, 10:14 PM

Have none of you played or wanted to play Doom3 or FarCry at 1600x1200?

If it is that important to you, buy a CRT or build your own company, I'm not sure what you want us to do, this is more of a debate than anything.

Graphicism

10-01-04, 12:57 PM

If it is that important to you, buy a CRT or build your own company, I'm not sure what you want us to do, this is more of a debate than anything.

That was my responce to a question asking why people need/use 1600x1200, not that the whole world should use 19" LCDs with 1600x1200 res. "build your own company" are you drunk? high? you young kids crack me up.

DocGiggs

10-01-04, 01:15 PM

Why does he keep insisting that 19" CRT's are like 17" LCD in display size and 21" CRT's are like 19" LCDs in display size.

YOU ARE FREAKING WRONG!!!!

Look, I have a 19" CRT with a, 18.5" Viewable area... my 19" LCD is pure 19"s... the difference in size is almost nothing. I have NEVER seen a 19" CRT with a 17" viewable. The lowest I've seen is 18" viewable.

Same thing with 21" CRTs. At most you lose an inch for the viewable area. That is at MOST. Grr.... you are basing numbers and pixel count off BAD math and assumptions.

So let's get this straight..

21" CRT(16x12 native) = 20" LCD(16x12 native) --- and many think this is too small
19" CRT(12x10 native) = 18" LCD(12x10 native)
17" CRT(12x10 native) = 16" LCD(12x10 native) --- and many think this is too small
15" CRT(10x7 native) = 14" LCD(10x7 native)

Get it? good. And yes, I've all size and types of monitors. For CRT's I used to use a 4 monitor 21" Illyama setup for several years. Only on one monitor did I leave it at 16x12 because I needed it for the Silicon graphics machine at the time. Later I got a 23" Illyama CRT and it was beautiful at 16x12.

Graphicism

10-01-04, 04:49 PM

DocGiggs - Let's forget everything, and just say that what you said is 100% correct - Can I still not have an opinion of what size screen and resolution I would like?

I have a 19" CRT, measured it's about 17.4" - the general rule is CRTs are roughly 2" under. There is no point arguing about this, you may as well argue to the manufactures why they sell 17" or even 18" so called 19" displays.

"Only on one monitor did I leave it at 16x12 because I needed it for the Silicon graphics machine at the time" No!... your not allowed *ranting, raving, crying*