wut amd processor is comparable with 2.4C

[gamer004]

ok i am debating on whether i should build a AMD bsed gaming rig, or a INTEL based gaming rig, wut would be better???

also if i have a AMD 2600+ would that go 2.6 GHZ, or comparable to that???

[AS3]

my friends convinced me into this a looong time ago

AMD = GAMING *HANDS DOWN
INTEL = BUSINESS *HANDS DOWN

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[Steven4563]

all depends on the rest off your system but u can have really nice systems from either off amd or intel :)

[theotherphil]

On average, I'd say an AMD XP2700-XP3000 is about the same as a 2.4C at stock speeds judging by these (http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1834&p=7) benches.

[Chris_F]

wut amd processor is comparable with 2.4C

None.



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[AS3]

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[Supertrucker]

the best processor from each would be the barton 2500+ on the amd camp and the 2.4c on the intel side.

the 2.4c and a canterwood mobo will probably cost you about 300-340 depending on mobo and vendor choice, the barton/nf2 will run you 200-220. the intel will be about 5-10% faster, which you wont notice in games unless you turn on fraps or any other fps counter. and if you are on a tight budget and would have to cut back on the vid card to go intel then the amd would probably game faster.

they both have thier strong points and thier weak points, but if you clock either of those chips up to the max, you will have a very nice gaming machine with a 9700/9800 vid card

[gamer004]

so the barton 2500+ goes about 2.5 GHz??? is that right

[JDXNC]

Originally posted by gamer004
so the barton 2500+ goes about 2.5 GHz??? is that right

With any luck.

Or you can get an Abit NF7 & 1700+ or 2100+ which will both clock up to around 2.4Ghz which is faster than the 3000+ .

[gamer004]

so without overclocking the 2400+ is slower then the ntel pentium 4 2.4CGhz

[Supertrucker]

in some respects its slower, in others its faster, in some its about even. depends on what you are doing. for the most part though, the intels have a minor speed advantage at stock speeds

[zabomb4163]

Yes, the 2400+ is slower than the 2400C p4.

the amd's strong point is the price difference. which may in some cases allow the system to have a better video card.

[gamer004]

so say i have a AMD athalon 2600+, but i also have a ati radeon 9800, would that be about the same speed and performance as a 2.4Cghz, and a ati radeon 9600 PRO???

[JDXNC]

Lets sat you buy a 1700+ for $41 and overclock it to 2.4Ghz... with a 9800pro, thats faster than a 3000+ with the same card of probably pretty close to the P4 2.8 or 3.0C with that card for a heck of a LOT less, you can't buy the 3.0C alone for what you can get the 1700+ and Abit NF7.

[Supertrucker]

all things being stock, the 2600+ & 9800 would probably game a good bit better than a 2.4c and 9600.

in all seriousness, if you are not a benchmark or 3dmark hound you will be quite pleased with the performance of an overclocked 2500+ or 2.4c, without running some sort of benchmark you wouldnt know whether you were running a 2.2 amd or a 3ghz intel while in the game, the difference is just that minor, all other hardware being equal

[Overclocker550]

" Lets sat you buy a 1700+ for $41 and overclock it to 2.4Ghz... with a"


youd need to watercool to get those speeds. although maybe if its a dlt3c at 1.5v you might get 2.4GHz with luck and good air cooling. the xp2100s overclock much higher though, get one of those instead dude.

[JDXNC]

Originally posted by Overclocker550
" Lets sat you buy a 1700+ for $41 and overclock it to 2.4Ghz... with a"


youd need to watercool to get those speeds. although maybe if its a dlt3c at 1.5v you might get 2.4GHz with luck and good air cooling. the xp2100s overclock much higher though, get one of those instead dude.


Cheack around the forums, there a A LOT of 1700's at 2.3-2.4 Ghz AIR COOLED. You need more than air when you go higher than that. I'm using a 2100 at 2.2Ghz at .1.65v... only bumped up .05 from stock.

EDIT: take a looks at Steven4563's sig in this thread... and that with a Volcano 9.... an so so HSF at best... I know, I am using one.

*AMD Athlon XP 1700+ JIUHB DLT3C 0323RPMW @ 187*12.5=2337mhz 1.7Vcore*

[gamer004]

thanks
-matt

[OnDborder]

How much are you willing to spend?
I would get a decent amd chip and a really good video card.

[Sterculus]

Personally I would go with the barton 2500+. Any differences between that and the 2.4C are going to be minimal, and you can get some nicer components in the rest of your system. Just my $0.02.

[Chowdy]

If you're gaming you might as well get a 2500+ as the extra $100 or so you'll be saving from getting a 2.4C system will allow you to get a nicer videocard.

[gamer004]

is the 2500+ the barton??

[Yahoolian]

Yup, Barton core, double the L2 cache of the TBreds...

[gamer004]

wut FSB is that, because if its 400FSB, then i can't overclock it cause my AMD motherboard can only hold 400FSB

[Jarlax3]

gamer004,

I was trying to figure out how to compare Intel to AMD in another thread (close to this one at the time of writing this). Here is what I have found out:

Gautam wrote:

In raw calculation ability, AMD's perform 128% of Intel per mHz. This ratio can be used quite effectively, barring software optimizations, etc.


Ok, so for example the comparison chart for models would look like this:

P4 2.4c ($170) = 1.83GHz (AMD Barton 2500+) ($88)
P4 2.6c ($212) = 2.08GHz (AMD Barton 2800+) ($173)
P4 2.8c ($271) = 2.17GHz (AMD Barton 3000+) ($244)

Hope this helps!

[gamer004]

cool, but can i still overclock a 400FSB AMD processor even though the highest my AMD motherboard can handle is 400FSB???

[7keys]

The 2500+ Barton runs on the 333 bus.

[gamer004]

so i can increase the FSB only 67 more??

[Steven4563]

if u have a n-force2 motherboard u can properly reach around 227fbs if your ram can take that much :)

id say go with a 2500+ barton core
or a 1700+ if u can get a t-bred B

[gamer004]

so even though my motherboard can only reach 400FSB, i can go past that and be stable at the same time

[ajrettke]

Ok, people need to stop giving this guy half the info, I'll give you a great summary with different options.
Ok, XP1700's will be around 50 dollors and would be safe to say goto 2.2ghz which is as fast as a 2.8ghz p4C stepping
XP2500+ is 90 and will goto 2.1-2.2 and will be around 2.8-3.0ghz p4C
A 2.4C is aorund 170 will goto 3.0ghz
With all AMD's add 30 for a good heatsink fan (goto cooling to find out more)

Those numbers are conservative OC's and can easily be accomplished, In general some XP1700's goto 2.4ghz, but those are experianced OC'ers (not saying your not, but it's not as easy as just putting on some good air coolign and going to 2.4ghz), samer for the 2.4C some people goto 3.4 on air, but I think you'd goto around 3.0

For motherboards an nforce2 will be around 80-120, for a p4 you can get the cheaper chipset (still very good) for around 120, otherwise for top end your looking at 180-200

So the p4 is still more expensive, but it's not a huge difference. If you will pay around extra 100 for this (performance is probably 5% better, 10% if you OC both chips) then go p4, but don't downgrade the video card to go p4, the video card is the most essential part in a gaming rig.

As far as OCing questions go, both platforms (I'm pretty sure) only offer 400 fsb and 800fsb officialy (AMD and p4 respectivly), but both do much higher so it's not a big concern, also as you may have noticed I never listed any AMD cpu's that are 400FSB, the reason is I don't think there worth the price jump at all, they may be much faster at stock speeds but when OC'ed they hit the same ceiling as the XP1700 and XP2500+.

jarax (think that's right) listed a good comparison of stock cpu's and how they are equal. look at that if you plan to run stock.
As far as AS3's comment about buisness and gaming, that was very misleading and I would disregard it. p4's are the king of gaming and buisness platforms, it's not that AMD is bad or anything it's just a see-saw battle between teh 2 and intel is up right now. If you want my opinions on what to get i'll let ya know, but I thinks it's better to choose yourself, you'll be happier :)

*EDIT*
also read up on OCing with FSB and multipliers....I don't think you have a compelte grasp on this and it would help you out tremdously (and AMD CPU's I listed are unlocked, the p4's are not).

[gamer004]

thats what i was looking for
thank you

[Steven4563]

hmm yeah james.miller has got his t-bred B his at 227 on a abit nf7-s board so should be fine

[gamer004]

also, is a AMD barton 2500 FSB=266 a good processor for gaming

[ajrettke]

actualy as far as I know the 2500+ is 333 by default. It is a very good all around cpu, stock speeds or OC'ed.

[gamer004]

ok thank you, i also have another question, when amd says its 2500+ but doesn't run at 2.5 GHz, dies that mean it is comparable to a p4 at 2.5GHZ??

[Jarlax3]

The number given to the AMD chip is the reason so many people get confused. The 2000, 2100, 2500, 2800, etc. are just model numbers and do not have any bearing on performance and do not relate to the intel world at all. What you need to do is find out the actual megahertz of the models and multiply it by 1.28 to get the comparison (as I did on page one).

Again there is no real link to the AMD model numbers and a Intel equivlant (sp?).

[gamer004]

ok thanks

[ajrettke]

jarlax is right in an "official" sense, but AMD does try to keep these numbers as close as possible to intel's chips. look at the releaseing time and everything...3200+ 3.2ghz, 3000+ 3.0ghz, 2.8....you get the point. before the "C" revision of the p4 these were very accurate, and in some tests AMD was faster, others intel, but with the C i'd say there off by about 100mhz, or 100+ PR rating.

*EDIT* oh and jarlax foruma was pretty close with the 1.28 but theer's a difference between the barton chip (the 2500+) and the Tbreds (XP1700 and 2100 and some others). Then difference is because the barton has 512k of L2 cache where the Tbred only has 256kb, this gives a small, but noticeable, % increase in performance

[Jarlax3]

Ah, thanks ajrettke! You have added some great posts to this thread by the way! :)

The multiplier, 1.28, came from a thread I read on here somewhere. But as you stated it was covering the T-birds and not the barton. I wonder how close the Barton comes in performace to the P4c models?

[gamer004]

probally very close