If you were building a new comp...

[Kekkai]

I'm thinking of getting the P4 2.4C w/ some motherboard. I will not overclock, but would like a solid motherboard.

1) What kind of motherboard should I get? Name and model

2) What brand of RAM should I get and does it have to be PC4000?

3) Is it worth it to go for the P4 2.4C or should I go for a P4 2.4B to get the cheaper ram?

Thanks in advance. Please enlighten me:p

[c627627]

No he dih'nt just say "I will not overclock."

I'm sure Intel boys will be along soon to tell you what Intel parts are best, but is there any particular reason why not?

[Bobby]

If you're not going to o/c, then you can go with an Intel motherboard. You can't get more reliable than that. For a home computer, the Intel D865PERL is only $98.

You will need decent memory but you don't need to buy anything faster than PC3200 (DDR400) memory.

What you use your computer for will help us decide whether it's worth it to go with a c chip over a b chip. The 2.4c runs at 800mhz fsb (200mhz quadpumped) vs. the 2.4b's 533mhz fsb (133mhz quadpumped). The 2.4c also has Hyper Threading. Prices are fairly close, maybe a few bucks more for the 2.4c. I thought it was worth it to go with the 2.4c back when the difference was $30 btwn the b and c chips, now it's less than $10.

-Bobby

[hooah]

if your not going to overclock spend a few more bucks and get either a 2.6c or 2.8c.

[ajrettke]

OR...don't flame me here intel guys, get an XP2800 and AMD nf2 board cheaper than a 2.4C and any intel board and it would most likely be faster.

[Bobby]

Originally posted by ajrettke
OR...don't flame me here intel guys, get an XP2800 and AMD nf2 board cheaper than a 2.4C and any intel board and it would most likely be faster.


Hey! Who let the AMD guy in here??? :p:p:p

-Bobby

[Kekkai]

lol, who's that AMD guy?

just kiddin jus kiddin :p Thanks for the advice, I guess I'm still considering AMD too, although we're leaning towards intel here.

Actually guys, I've been building computers for awhile, and have been overclocking. But I've stopped since last september and don't know anything about the new stuff that's out. My friend is building this computer and he asked me for advice, and although I pushed him to overclock, he says he won't and will refuse to do so. He also insisted on getting a P4 to try something different, although I told him that going AMD might be cheaper.

What's he using the computer for? He's using it to do everything that a 21yr old might do with a computer. Watch some DVD movies, play some nice 3d games once in awhile, every day stuff, homework, internet, etc.


And also, how far can he expect to overclock with a P4 2.4C? Just wondering... heee hee :D
And if so, what board would you get? And what type of ram?

[TUK101]

You cant go wrong right now with either platform (AMD or Itel). For total reliablity and stability though if you are not going to OC, and never will even think of OC'ing then go with an Intel board. If you want to save a few bucks then an AMD system with one of the newer Barton cpu's and a top of the line mobo by Abit or Asus will do well also. If you arent going to OC then you shouldnt have to go for a higher speed of memory than what is needed. Be sure to check out what memory works best with the mobo you buy though before you go laying down the bucks for memory.

[Gabkicks]

But u can put more money into a new Video card if u get an AMD cpu or RAM.

[Damian]

Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that the intel would be faster.

[Gautam]

Not quite. A 2.4C would cost you about $80 more than a 2600+, and a board around $40 more than a KT400 based one. That's $120 to put into the video card. A 2600+ with a 9800 np would crush a 2.4C with a, say Ti4400, without a doubt, at least in games. In casual tasks, there won't be any discernable difference between either.

[Gabkicks]

uh.... thats what i ment to say. thanks Guatam

[Gautam]

Hehe...np. And as for the 2.4C being faster than the 2600+, with both at stock, even that is debatable. The P4C's are earth-shattering when overclocked, but at stock, while very nice, not as far ahead of AMD as when each are oc'ed to the max. In terms of raw interger calculation, the 2600+ will beat the 2.4C. I'd expect it to beat it in gaming becnhmarks such as 3DMark 01 and 03 as well. The processor won't make a noticeable difference in anything much, though, the two are too closely tied to worry about it. But the video card will make a noticeable difference in gaming.

[ajrettke]

Agreed...the 2.4C is a sweet chip, but it's like the XP1700, if your not gonna OC it....just don't tell me because it kills me to see chips like that get wasted (by wasted I mean not get 2.0 volts and scream for mercy).

For a mobo for the P4 if your friend is set on intel I've heard good things about the IS7, basicly same cost as a top end AMD board and great performance. For RAM I like buffalo because it's great price/performance, but check in the mobo section for compatability as I'm coming from an AMD standpoint.

[Damian]

The processor won't make a noticeable difference in anything much, though, the two are too closely tied to worry about it.
Really? I thought HT makes a bit of a difference. If not then oh well, guess I'm wrong. By "faster", though, I meant not counting the video card. In video cards, a small price difference makes for a huge performance difference, while in proc/mobos, the case isn't necessarily true.

But I guess you're right, a 2.4c isn't very useful without overclocking. I can't even begin to imagine leaving my 1700+ at stock.

[Kekkai]

ic, i didn' know the 2.4C could be compared to a 1700+ in terms of overclockability,

So how well on avg. do you think a 2.4C will O/C on AiR with a good HSF? And what type of ram (speed) will be necessary for it to achieve that? And do I have to overvolt it a lot to get it to that speed?

[Gautam]

With HT enabled, there's about a 1.28:1 ratio in raw performance, meaning that a 2.083 could slightly outedge a 2.6C. HT does make things run a little smoother, supposedly, but I'd highly doubt it making a noticeable difference. But each are too close to make a real call. Its simply a matter of preference.

From what I've been seeing, you'd get around 3.3-3.5ghz on air with a 2.4C, without significant changes in voltage.

[Kekkai]

and i really appreciate everyone's input, loads of knowledge out there... But let's not turn it into an amd-intel debate now, you hear? :)

I am well aware of being able to save with amd, as I have built seven amd systems in 2002 because of that reason. But my friend is going pretty firm with going w/ intel...

but thx!

[kellyokeefe825]

i would think a little more about an AMD....here read this
understanding processor speeds (http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/processor_performance_whitepaper_v12.pdf)

[dippy_skoodlez]

Originally posted by Bobby



Hey! Who let the AMD guy in here??? :p:p:p

-Bobby

Ok.. I admit it.. I was the cov ops with the INTEL worker UNI that let him in the back way.... (ET fans will get it :D) Hey this is the "general" cpu's right?? ;)

[CrystalMethod]

Originally posted by kellyokeefe825
i would think a little more about an AMD....here read this
understanding processor speeds (http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/white_papers_and_tech_docs/processor_performance_whitepaper_v12.pdf)

It's nice to see someone at least does some research. No offense, but did you check the date on that paper?
Page 1 Understanding Processor Performance August 24, 2001
The new processors from both AMD and Intel are completley different from their predecessors. There's no real comparison anymore. The only thing we have to go by now is by individual applications. With chipsets thrown into the fray, the choices become even more confusing. Now is not the time to be loyal to either company. At this point in time, I'd buy whatever suited my needs best for my budget. Gather as much information as you can, keep up to date with the way things are going, so you can keep yourself informed to make the right decision at the time you buy something. We all know all too well that what ever you buy will be out dated inside of 4 months at this point, so go with what you can afford and what you think will be the most upgradeable.

[Kekkai]

So how well on avg. do you think a 2.4C will O/C on AiR with a good HSF? And what type of ram (speed) will be necessary for it to achieve that? And do I have to overvolt it a lot to get it to that speed?

[Kekkai]

*bmp

[ryuen]

Originally posted by Kekkai
I'm thinking of getting the P4 2.4C w/ some motherboard. I will not overclock, but would like a solid motherboard.

1) What kind of motherboard should I get? Name and model

2) What brand of RAM should I get and does it have to be PC4000?

3) Is it worth it to go for the P4 2.4C or should I go for a P4 2.4B to get the cheaper ram?

Thanks in advance. Please enlighten me:p

i didnt read anyone else's post but anyways,

1. goto newegg.com and go to their mobo section and just look for something that has your specifications you need.

2. i think for you 2700 will do the best since its not too expensive and you dont need overclocking speeds. good brands for just cheap:decent are buffalo, kingston, crucial/micron

3. since you arent overclocking it doesnt matter. id just get the cheaper one.

[Gabkicks]

Yeah... but if u had read the other posts. u would see his friend really wants an Intel CPu. despite price. Dunno if that's because he's got a little fanboy in his blood or what

[ScaryDecoy]

Maybe the guy was screwed by a amd before. I have a friend that won't use amd because of all the stability problems he use to have with older amd products. I know a few people like that, and i don't blame them. Not trying to start a war, but some of the old AMD stuff sucked when they were in the 500mhz area. I always thought it was more because of the crappy chipsets, then the processors though.

[zabomb4163]

2600XP + 9800np = 260$+100$ = 360

2400p4 +9500pro = 170+190 = 360


which would you rather have?

[kellyokeefe825]

Originally posted by CrystalMethod


It's nice to see someone at least does some research. No offense, but did you check the date on that paper?

The new processors from both AMD and Intel are completley different from their predecessors. There's no real comparison anymore. The only thing we have to go by now is by individual applications. With chipsets thrown into the fray, the choices become even more confusing. Now is not the time to be loyal to either company. At this point in time, I'd buy whatever suited my needs best for my budget. Gather as much information as you can, keep up to date with the way things are going, so you can keep yourself informed to make the right decision at the time you buy something. We all know all too well that what ever you buy will be out dated inside of 4 months at this point, so go with what you can afford and what you think will be the most upgradeable.


yeah i saw the date and im not offended i just dont think ome people understand some of the differences ill have to do some more looking on the new barton and p4 chips and post again:D i totaly agree with you about the loyalty issue....truthfuly i would tell the guy to get what ever he wants if he wants a P4 get a P4 either way (p4 or amd) he wont be dissapointed:cool:

[dippy_skoodlez]

Originally posted by zabomb4163
2600XP + 9800np = 260$+100$ = 360

2400p4 +9500pro = 170+190 = 360


which would you rather have?

Perfect :D

[ryuen]

wow that does make a good difference :D

[Gabkicks]

Well, we all hope ur happy with what u decide to buy. Tell us what u decide on

[PoX Freak]

Personally, I've always been an AMD fan, but I have to say, some of the "more stable" procs have been from Intel. Since you aren't going to OC, I'd jump at either a 2700 T-Bred core or 2800 Barton. for Intel, id go for a 2.6B.....but thats just me. Also, Crucial, Kingston, and Buffalo are all good sticks, and you only need say, 3200 or 3500 DDR to make a stable machine (or a "future" screamer.

[gamer004]

you can overclock a 2.4c to probally around 3.4-3.6 and easily get past 3.0GHz just by changeing to FSB, as for motherboard i would not get an intel, because wut if in the future and when your computer is dead, i shoulda got a mobo that i could overclock good, because intels are very stable, instead i would get a abit, or asus, those would be better at overclocking

[Kekkai]

umm... Good news~!

We're going iNTeL ( sorry amd dudes ;) ) & we're going to overclock. I told him that the P4 2.4c's overclock like crazy and he seemed convinced.

We would like to keep the money down while keepin it with Intel and the 2.4C.

So far the price on the 2.4C from newegg.com (i trust em) is around $170 and the motherboard we were thinking about is the IC7 ($130). Didn't think it was worth it to pay $50 more for the IC7-G ( or is it? ).

Anyway, I'm prolly going to get an SLK-800(a) or (u) as the HSF. Still not sure on what type of ram. I know I'm gonna get something reliable and get 2x256mb of something that's the best bang for the buck. And should I go for PC3500? Like I said, I want to overclock this sucka, but I don't want to overvolt it too much.

So what do you guys think so far?

[JoJoMoJo]

To answer how fast the 2.4 will go on air read below thread and sort thru different cooling methods. On avg the margin seems to be the 2.4 will clock 600-1100mhz over its rateing on air.

http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=204508

[Kekkai]

We ordered a P4 2.4C from newegg (love those guys for new products only), an IC7, and we're thinking of getting PC3700 Buffalo 256MB x 2.

Is that a good choice? I heard IC7 was having some problems with Winbond chips... I'm not too sure -