View Full Version : Okay...4.7GHz??? IS THAT POSSIBLE?!?!
dreammmatt
08-03-03, 02:36 PM
Okay, i am pretty sure that some people are...well, *not exactly telling the truth* when it comes to their overclock on a 1700+. That said, what do you guys think is the real TOP that anyone could do on a 1700+ without Scotty shouting out that she'll blow!
*lets say on Phase-Change, or the world's best waterchiller*
i dont care about LN2 because, well, i am talking sustained overclock
climbski
08-03-03, 03:05 PM
Yeah no prob I got 6.28ghz with my mercury cooling system. JK
Not a chance in H@#! Much over 3.2GHz hasn't been accomplished on AMD even with Liquid Nitrogen.
Molybdym
08-03-03, 03:10 PM
No way, not even on ln2. Maybe a Pentium, that was something like 4.2GHz, but the fastest XP I've read and seen benchs for are 'round 3.2-3.3 GHz
Originally posted by dreammmatt
Okay, i am pretty sure that some people are...well, *not exactly telling the truth* when it comes to their overclock on a 1700+. That said, what do you guys think is the real TOP that anyone could do on a 1700+ without Scotty shouting out that she'll blow!
*lets say on Phase-Change, or the world's best waterchiller*
i dont care about LN2 because, well, i am talking sustained overclock
Could he have a dualie and be adding CPU1 2.35 + CPU2 2.35 = big fat misleading liar? :sn: :eh?:
dreammmatt
08-03-03, 03:45 PM
lol - anything is possible...unless...he is 90 and sat on his glasses, so he couldnt read what WINCPUID was saying
Chris_F
08-03-03, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by dreammmatt
lol - anything is possible...unless...he is 90 and sat on his glasses, so he couldnt read what WINCPUID was saying
LOL.
You could get 4GHz + with a P4 and Phase change.
method().man
08-03-03, 06:38 PM
Some dude in Japan got 5130 MHz with his P4 on LN2.
http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/Intel/Northwood/
Sometimes the P4 heatspreader fails at around 4.2 Ghz.
4.7 is pretty much impossible on 1700+. Maybe by an act of God, a barton could get that high, but not a tbred.
dreammmatt
08-03-03, 07:21 PM
ehh? what do u mean 'the heatspreader fails'?
Intel was really worried about this for somereason. Could have been bad luck.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDE5
climbski
08-03-03, 08:16 PM
I can't beleive there is any debate on this......
Supertrucker
08-03-03, 09:30 PM
3ghz is tough to get on a prommie, just ask some of the guys who have them around here, they went through chip after chip hitting 2.8-2.9 before finding one to hit 3ghz. if you have to pick and choose to hit 3ghz with a prommie there is nothing that could get an amd to 4.7
Tyranos
08-03-03, 09:50 PM
Hot damn, amd at 3.6. I don't care if its ln2, thats amazing.
i dont think anyones had an amd at 3.6
Tyranos
08-04-03, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by mage_x
i dont think anyones had an amd at 3.6
http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/AMD/Barton/
Memesama from japan
Sterculus
08-04-03, 12:43 PM
Maybe whoever said that was being sneaky and gave the PR (4700+) of their LN2 AMD :p
Jimbob7
08-04-03, 03:39 PM
hmmm maybe if u had a 3.2 ghz p4 u could get close ;) eheheh :D:D:D bares thinking about ;)
Originally posted by Tyranos
http://www.vr-zone.com/guides/AMD/Barton/
Memesama from japan
ah never saw tha tbefore
WOW an Athlon XP @ 3.6ghz? I want to see some benchmarks...
dreammmatt
08-05-03, 11:49 AM
just think....just "imagine" what an Athlon would be like if you could do 800FSB... If AMD coulda got that out of the gates...Intel would cr@p their pants.
ar47bl13
08-07-03, 12:52 PM
Sorry to ask such a dumb question but what is LN2?
ar47bl13
08-07-03, 01:25 PM
Oh..Ok thanks..Sound expensive none the less..
dreammmatt
08-07-03, 03:35 PM
in case u wondered why there is a 2 there, it is because Nitrogen is a HOFBrINCl (said as "Hoffbrincle") element - - those non-metals always wander around in pairs.
ar47bl13
08-07-03, 03:38 PM
OK..cool and I was wondering kinda but I just figured it was some science mumbo jumbo!..LOL
ajrettke
08-07-03, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by ar47bl13
Oh..Ok thanks..Sound expensive none the less..
Actualy LN2 really isn't that expensive. It would be if you used it constantly for the entire year, but these people just chill the hell the CPU and/or vid card and make a run for windows and wcpuid....I honestly could care less unless they show me 24 hours of prime, some 3d mark scores, and convince me there running that all day long and keep refilling the LN2....
But none the less it's still pretty cool.
ar47bl13
08-07-03, 03:52 PM
Yeh those are some crazy overclocks!
Exodus00
08-07-03, 04:01 PM
But none the less it's still pretty cool.
Literally :D
sorry.. couldn't resist :p
method().man
08-07-03, 04:11 PM
I think LN2 is pretty stupid if you ask me. I'm sure the extreme cold and high voltages these people use to reach these overclocked speeds probably kills the processor within minutes. These LN2 setups basically run long enough to get a screenshot and maybe calculate Pi. After that, they run out of LN2 or the system dies. I'm sure these people burn through processors like crazy.
Anyway, just sounds like a silly game for someone with too much time and money and not enough sense on their hands.
Tyranos
08-07-03, 05:51 PM
No, its a matter of if they can do it or not. No one ever said the definition of overclocking is running prime95 for days on end. Overclocking is overclocking. In the real world, people want stability. But overclocking isn't exactly the real world anyway. Don't call what other people do stupid, especially when they are pioneering into unheard of speeds. It doesn't matter if they're using liquid nitrogen or liquid helium, or doing it in the vacuum of space. You should learn from what they do. If everyone thought like that, we wouldn't have things like atom smashers, quantum physics, COMPUTERS.
method().man
08-07-03, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by Tyranos
No, its a matter of if they can do it or not. No one ever said the definition of overclocking is running prime95 for days on end. Overclocking is overclocking. In the real world, people want stability. But overclocking isn't exactly the real world anyway. Don't call what other people do stupid, especially when they are pioneering into unheard of speeds. It doesn't matter if they're using liquid nitrogen or liquid helium, or doing it in the vacuum of space. You should learn from what they do. If everyone thought like that, we wouldn't have things like atom smashers, quantum physics, COMPUTERS.
Actually, I think I'll call them whatever I please, thank you very much. This is a forum to express opinions and I have simply expressed mine. If you want to think that people who use LN2 are comparable to the likes of Werner Heisenberg - the father of quantum mechanics - then be my guest. I will flatly disagree with that statement but in the end, that opinion is yours to make.
Tyranos
08-07-03, 07:52 PM
Yes you expressed your opinions, but had done so rudely. "stupid", and "not enough sense on their hands" are insults. Opinions can be expressed a little more intelligently without comments such as those on these forums. As for the blip about W. Heisenberg, its what they achieve in each field's extremes. More importantly, its the willingness and ability to do so. And I think you forgot a few other gentlemen who share the "father" business in the bloom of quantum physics.
PoX Freak
08-08-03, 12:18 AM
You know, the highest clock i've seen out of this puppy is 2520Mhz, but i couldn't boot. Whats the sense of clocking a chip above its rated speed if it's not of any use? Even if i could boot at that speed, what would come out of it? lots of errors and blue screens?
To me, its good to see a good running system with a mild 500Mhz overclock than a system thats prone to hanging when the breeze dies down because someone thinks a 1 gig overclock is better than 500 or even 700Mhz.
Just figgered i'd put some cents in.....
dreammmatt
08-08-03, 12:27 AM
lol - - yeah, it does suck that i (and 3 of my friends) have to drop our overclocks when we go to a LAN party (poorly ventilated LAN party in an attic) because the place gets to be so d@mn hot... LOL...isnt the point of an overclock so you can do better at the games you play at LAN parties? then when you get there...your overclock is worthless...and you lose that performance you worked so hard to tweak...
EDIT: Please guys, no rude stuff...
arnoldma
08-08-03, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by Tyranos
Yes you expressed your opinions, but had done so rudely. "stupid", and "not enough sense on their hands" are insults. Opinions can be expressed a little more intelligently without comments such as those on these forums. As for the blip about W. Heisenberg, its what they achieve in each field's extremes. More importantly, its the willingness and ability to do so. And I think you forgot a few other gentlemen who share the "father" business in the bloom of quantum physics.
seecond on that about "method().man" post, opinions can be easily expressed without been rude and/or making yourself look "stupid" as you so kindly put it :D
Molybdym
08-08-03, 10:12 AM
Has anyone done ln2 with duallies?
Well to put it better, I'm sure someone's done it, but does anyone have links for this?
method().man
08-08-03, 01:52 PM
Well I'm sorry some of you take offense to the way I word things but I call things as I see fit and would rather be brutally honest about the way I feel about things than sugar coat them in language that is completely non-offensive. Besides, what fun is there in being completely PC? ;).
Excuse me for saying so, but I care little about these aforementioned LN2 "pioneers" and will continue to express my disregard for them unless some new knowledge about them changes the way I view them. I have little respect for people who are willing to shell out thousands of dollars on chips that they will ruin to simply get a screen shot of WCPUID. The fact that they are doing this with a material that can not only cause serious injury but possibly DEATH just to run "PiFast" to a million digits in less than thirty seconds is just sheer lunacy to me. Sure, I want 5GHz as much as the next guy, but I'm certainly not gonna risk my left hand SHATTERING into a million pieces to get it.
Now, if one of these people can fabricate a LN2 looping system that can keep the machine running indefinately, THAT would be something.
The [H] managed to get 1 P4 to 4.4GHz...I forget if they used watercooling or refrigeration...it wasn't LN2, I know.
TheMatrixHasYou
08-08-03, 06:14 PM
Yeah, that guy in Japan got over 5 GHz, and promptly fried his processor. That should not count at all. We don't submit are unstable speeds to the CPU Database, why should this guy have his dead processor setting records? The truth is, it's not a real overclock unless its stable.
dreammmatt
08-08-03, 07:32 PM
if you take the word literally...then anything beyond stock, stable or not, 'is' an overclock. If you take it the way most of us mean it, which is basically making your cpu into a better cpu that is capable of all the stability of the previous with added speed, than 15second highs are not counted. So, i guess, depending on what camp ur in...you could Affirm or Denounce it...
don't be so quick to diss ln2 and huge overvolting of the cpu and burning them out quickly.
what these "pioneers" are doing is showing us the absolute (maybe?) maximum limits of todays technology
which of course becomes tommorows norm :)
in the course of doing so they can say they were first, fastest etc.
and i am guessing they are the first to tackle or at least report back to the chipmakers the inherent problems of high front side busses, voltage limitations, cores, temps, etc.
i can remember when they were hitting just one gigahertz
0with ln2 and that was the ****nit, so dont be surprised when intel releases ten gig chips in a year or so.. ok maybe 5 years ...
but i think its going to be sooner.
these people play around and the big companies probably learn something at the same time, so they can implement it that much sooner and learn from past mistakes/improve upon old designs..
someone correct me if im wrong but in the tech "world"
isnt everything obsolete outside of six months to a year
anyways?
so you gotta pump up all the stuff you have quick , or else its just
"passe" :)
the good side of this all is that slightly dated tech becomes cheaper for us.. (50 buck 1700's right?)
so thats why they do it :)
dreammmatt
08-08-03, 08:10 PM
lol, i just thought of something...those who blow away their cpu's are exactly like that one chinese d00d... That one nobleman who in the ancient history had strapped firework rockets to a chair...and "took-off"...shall we say. He actually blew up as soon as they lit them, but like Spade said, he was showing us that in the future man would be able to take off on rockets, that if a failure is possible, so is a success.
OcLinNoob
08-09-03, 12:37 PM
y waste ln2 when u can use photoshop to show off
Originally posted by OcLinNoob
y waste ln2 when u can use photoshop to show off
lol
Fushyuguru
08-09-03, 12:57 PM
I think some of these kids are posting their projected PR ratings. Which is Gay. Even then though, 4700+ is not really doable yet under normal circumstances. Even with a hand picked engineering sample.
Lord_MiL
08-09-03, 02:35 PM
Something strange I noticed on the VR-Zone website........every single AMD that is greater than 3.05GHz or so is from Japan. Does anyone else find it strange that the top 9 OC's are all people from Japan? Maybe it's all the same guy just photoshopping, lol.
As for the "Hoffbrincle" elements as they were called, that's kinda funny cause in all my chem courses we always called them "Brinclehoff" :-)
method().man
08-09-03, 04:27 PM
Originally posted by Lord_MiL
Something strange I noticed on the VR-Zone website........every single AMD that is greater than 3.05GHz or so is from Japan. Does anyone else find it strange that the top 9 OC's are all people from Japan? Maybe it's all the same guy just photoshopping, lol.
As for the "Hoffbrincle" elements as they were called, that's kinda funny cause in all my chem courses we always called them "Brinclehoff" :-)
It's just that LN2 is much more popular in Japan than anywhere else in the world.
Fushyuguru
08-09-03, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by method().man
It's just that LN2 is much more popular in Japan than anywhere else in the world.
I think we americans just enjoy raw power all of the time. Not just for 5 minutes.
nycundaground
08-09-03, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Fushyuguru
I think we americans just enjoy raw power all of the time. Not just for 5 minutes.
Agreed.
SemiCycle
08-09-03, 11:17 PM
Originally posted by Tyranos
No, its a matter of if they can do it or not. No one ever said the definition of overclocking is running prime95 for days on end. Overclocking is overclocking. In the real world, people want stability. But overclocking isn't exactly the real world anyway. Don't call what other people do stupid, especially when they are pioneering into unheard of speeds. It doesn't matter if they're using liquid nitrogen or liquid helium, or doing it in the vacuum of space. You should learn from what they do. If everyone thought like that, we wouldn't have things like atom smashers, quantum physics, COMPUTERS.
I have to agree with this. Let's compare computer overclocking with different forms of Car racing (Drag racing, Street Racing and Nascar).
Most of us are mild OCers and fall into the street series. We upgrade some parts on our machines to tweak our systems, but we still need a daily driver to get us to and from work...Something that is stable and fairly quiet.
Next up are the heavy tweakers (NASCAR computer users). They add waterblocks to their cpus, perform volt mods on their video cards and motherboards and use loud tornado fans in their computer. Their systems are built to be stable while used and can go 500 miles without a problem, but are more prone to failure because of the added stress the system is being subjected to.
Last but not least, we have the hot rod overclockers (Drag racing) These guys will do anything to prove they can get a computer to run at the highest possible speed. It they blow a cpu, who cares, they can buy new one. Drag Racing teams rebuild or replace the car's engine countless times because of the stress it goes through. Just like a drag race, the hot rod overclocker's machine isn't any good to use on a daily basis, it will only let you do the 1/4 mile in a flash.
There will always be different extremes to overclocking. My hat goes off to the guy willing to blow $600 on a P4 just so he can get a screen shot in windows of the speed it is running at. I know I don't have the guts or resources to blow money like that.
Fushyuguru
08-09-03, 11:34 PM
I agree SemiCycle. My hat goes off to em too. Just glad its not my $$.
Im a "NASCAR" overclocker. So I just tend to make my overclocks stick, as high as I can get them.
The "Draggers" are pioneers.
dropadrop
08-10-03, 07:16 AM
Most of the time people do ln2 runs with their day to day processors and can keep running them fine afterwards. For somebody using ln2 for the first times there is naturally a huge risk in burning something up, but the more experienced guys rarely break anything else then boundrys.
I would claim that most of the top 20 3d-mark ect. results have been made with computers running at a higher speed then they are in day to day use. Each one of us has a differant view of an overclock, but really it's just running the computer at a higher speed then some componnt was specified to run at... I definatly give more props to somebody breaking 3ghz with a prometia then with ln2, but the prometia guy will also be running at a lower speed on day to day basis.
I remember when someone broke 3ghz on the northwood core using ln2. After one new revision it would break it with chilled water, and after the next one it would break it with air. I think it's still cool to have guys breaking boundrys and showing what the future will hold for overclockers wishing to reach a maximum day to day speed.
allen337
08-10-03, 07:56 AM
i dont know why the run ln for a few seconds when you could get a p4 to 4 gig stable and keepright on rocking. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20021216/index.html
dropadrop
08-10-03, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by allen337
i dont know why the run ln for a few seconds when you could get a p4 to 4 gig stable and keepright on rocking. http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20021216/index.html
Yeah, if you want to spend mucho $$$ on the cooling... Then again, good specimins seem to be going pretty far on aircooling too...
http://www.muropaketti.com/artikkelit/cpu/p4_32c/ln2/
Here is a processor that runs at under 4ghz with watercooling day to day, but close to 5ghz with ln2. Take it as drag racing. :D
Originally posted by SemiCycle
I have to agree with this. Let's compare computer overclocking with different forms of Car racing (Drag racing, Street Racing and Nascar).
Most of us are mild OCers and fall into the street series. We upgrade some parts on our machines to tweak our systems, but we still need a daily driver to get us to and from work...Something that is stable and fairly quiet.
Next up are the heavy tweakers (NASCAR computer users). They add waterblocks to their cpus, perform volt mods on their video cards and motherboards and use loud tornado fans in their computer. Their systems are built to be stable while used and can go 500 miles without a problem, but are more prone to failure because of the added stress the system is being subjected to.
Last but not least, we have the hot rod overclockers (Drag racing) These guys will do anything to prove they can get a computer to run at the highest possible speed. It they blow a cpu, who cares, they can buy new one. Drag Racing teams rebuild or replace the car's engine countless times because of the stress it goes through. Just like a drag race, the hot rod overclocker's machine isn't any good to use on a daily basis, it will only let you do the 1/4 mile in a flash.
There will always be different extremes to overclocking. My hat goes off to the guy willing to blow $600 on a P4 just so he can get a screen shot in windows of the speed it is running at. I know I don't have the guts or resources to blow money like that.
I agree completely. In fact, drag racers rebuild their dragsters before every race, and it costs on average $25,000 to do so each time. Its crazy, but hey, someone's gotta do it!
allen337
08-10-03, 01:39 PM
money is a must you know the ruin them cpus at startup, say you spend $800 and run it for a year and finally burn it up, whitch is less? i run my 2.8 p4 @ 3.6 on air(genuine intel) not a fabulious overclock but 3.6 is ok by me. ALLEN
SemiCycle
08-10-03, 01:54 PM
Huh?
dreammmatt
08-10-03, 03:18 PM
umm...if you dont call 800MHz overclock fabulous...you may needa readjust your perspective
I agree, how DARE you say that those who take such risks with their hardware are stupid? If i could afford to, i'd take a P4 3.2ghz and OC it as far as i could with ln2. If you all, too, had the money, the time, and the know-how, i'm sure you'd do it as well.
Fushyuguru
08-10-03, 08:18 PM
Im wondering who called who stupid.
method().man
08-10-03, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by Fushyuguru
Im wondering who called who stupid.
I called LN2 and styrofoam cup users stupid
Originally posted by Molybdym
Has anyone done ln2 with duallies?
Well to put it better, I'm sure someone's done it, but does anyone have links for this?
I have a Athlon dualy but no one make dual Phase changers. Also LN2 could be done a SMP machine but won't last very long.
Originally posted by cack01
Intel was really worried about this for somereason. Could have been bad luck.
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDE5
In this photo (http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTA0MzE3MzYxNTg1Q2taQW15QnpfMV8xN V9sLmpwZw==) why is the pentium 4 in a socket WITHOUT a pcb below, anyone care to explain?
Perfectly possible, the most you can go on athlon platform without FSB overclocking is 4800mhz (24x200) or 3984mhz (24x166). The most you can do with FSB overclocking is 6,000 (24x250). So aslong a a guy claims 6000mhz or less with his athlon it can be possible.
dropadrop
08-11-03, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by bulk88
Perfectly possible, the most you can go on athlon platform without FSB overclocking is 4800mhz (24x200) or 3984mhz (24x166). The most you can do with FSB overclocking is 6,000 (24x250). So aslong a a guy claims 6000mhz or less with his athlon it can be possible.
No, it still can't be possible.
If you have a road that is 200km long, 500m wide, perfectly flat and a windless place you could theoretically drive alot faster then any car will go. Before you have a car that can drive the maximum speed of the road it is only theory.
4000mhz with an athlon is still far away, and as such I would say it's not possible for now. (without a revision to the core)
dreammmatt
08-11-03, 11:51 AM
heh, here is my analogy - - your car's spedometer says it can hit 750mph, why? because the car company just decided to put on a meter that read to 750mph ^_^ - - the engine unfortunately cant go to that speed...
UnseenMenace
08-11-03, 12:18 PM
I don't know why everyone seem sto thing that this is near impossible, I myself am not to far from 4.7 ghz... all it took was the carefull selection of components and a supadupa-damrightchilly-cooler system and it remains stable. The cooling system is so respectable for this purpose that the ram timings are not just agressive but near on violent.
The only problem I have yet encountered is with regards to voltages. A heavy duty power supply is most certainly required (i got mine from a scientist who had the unit fitted to a old DeLorean) -- The voltages are now stable but in a thunderstorm the system disapears only to be discovered exactly where I left it, but in the future... real strange
Sorry for the joke, but I honestly believe that this suggestion must be such.. I really do not think a 'current' 1700+ Athlon is capable of reaching such speeds without being tweaked with lying. I really hope that I am proved wrong and will gladly appologize if done so .. Alternativly I would assume this was some kind of humour also
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